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Old 07-11-2011, 12:43 PM
 
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I'd say this part was too much. It'd be one thing if he'd have just watched the guy die while waiting for paramedics, but another gun and 5 more times? Yah....he probably deserves to be punished. That's not self-defense.
How I so love that Christian sense of compassion.
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Old 07-11-2011, 12:46 PM
 
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The next candidate for a long stretch in prison due to their total ignorance of the legal concept of self-defense.

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That's a good point on the first part. If he was already dead, then the worst the pharmacist could be charged with is abuse of a corpse. If the robber was still alive, and arguably still a threat, then the self defense becomes clear.
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Old 07-11-2011, 12:50 PM
 
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The problem with 'you people' is your lack of reading comprehension and respect for the law.

The first shot that pharmacist took was clearly self-defense and he was well within his rights.

Pretty much all of us would like to see people like these thugs dealt with in a, um, permanent manner. But we KNOW that we can't just do that. Because it is against the law.

Make it a law that I can dispense any justice I want on my own property and we can talk about something else. But for now, the law says you can use self-defense as a affirmative defense. Once the kid was incapacitated, it wasn't self-defense anymore. It was murder.

Unfortunate, but true.

Wish I could rep. you again.

Responsible gun owners in this thread seem to be the ones who actually "get it" despite our political disagreements on other topics.
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Old 07-11-2011, 12:52 PM
 
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Certain people?

Quit lying...you have not read up on this subject "extensively." This is not an issue of "certain people." This is about a direct correlation to success. It is widely known, and widely studied. That you would attribute it to "certain individuals" proves that you know nothing about this topic.
So now you're clairvoyant? You know how much I read? Sir....and I use that term hopefully....as someone who is a black person with a name, and who has named three actual black people, rest assured that I know a helluva lot more about this subject than you do. I have forgotten more reading material than you have perused. Actually, that I have attributed this phenomenon to the biases held by certain individuals hits the central issue behind the "direct correlation to success." I.e., if a black person has a name that is "acceptable" to white people, chances are he or she will be more "successful" than the one whose name is not acceptable to white people.

As I have said, myopia. See what I mean?
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Old 07-11-2011, 12:53 PM
 
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I have a hard time blaming a grieving mother for believing that her son was a good boy, even though the facts show something different.



No, you said "the detrimental effects that poorly chosen names actually do have." Why is it the fault of parents for choosing a name that reflects their culture and heritage, rather than people who choose to disrespect it and treat them differently for it? Again, it's not much different than the slave driver whipping Kunta Kinte until he says his name is Toby. After all, Kunta Kinte would be a "poorly chosen name" in the United States.
I no longer dignify comments that imply racism and even drag slavery into a well known, and well studied phenomenon. I refuse to stoop to your level. Try someone else. Thanks.
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Old 07-11-2011, 12:53 PM
 
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As in Kevin-Prince Boateng?

Picking an exception won't change the trend. For whatever reason Kevin is the worst name you can have there (or Chantal if you are a girl/woman). In Britain Kevin is also rather negative, kind of white trashy
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Old 07-11-2011, 12:54 PM
 
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Sorry. You can't tell me people who make up 'unique' names for their kids aren't doing it to make them stand out.
What do you consider unique, and what is wrong with standing out?

People of many ethnicities have names that stand out here in America. The only problem some people have (and I am not saying you are one of those people) is when black people's names stand out.
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Old 07-11-2011, 12:55 PM
 
Location: Texas
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I have no insight into why they do it, nor does it affect my point in the slightest. Obviously the children should suffer no negative effect from their parents' name choice.
No. But we don't live in some vacuum. The parents know that they are doing this to their kids. Whether or not it's right, it happens.
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Old 07-11-2011, 12:58 PM
 
Location: Texas
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What do you consider unique, and what is wrong with standing out?

People of many ethnicities have names that stand out here in America. The only problem some people have (and I am not saying you are one of those people) is when black people's names stand out.
I was referencing a post that someone made that said the kids don't deserve to be singled out for their name. Of course they don't.

And as a person of 'ethnicity' whose name is quite unique HERE (but is actually a real name in the culture from which my parents came), I can tell you that there IS a difference in coming from another country with a name from that country and living for centuries in this one and purposely making up names...just as my name marked me as a child of immigrants, those black names mark those kids...

The question is whether or not your particular culture is revered or an object of disdain.

Not saying there is anything right or wrong about coming to various conclusions based on a name.

I don't care what someone's name is. I only care about their character and contributions to society.
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Old 07-11-2011, 12:59 PM
 
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I no longer dignify comments that imply racism and even drag slavery into a well known, and well studied phenomenon. I refuse to stoop to your level. Try someone else. Thanks.
Then maybe you shouldn't post comments that have direct shades of slavery and racism, with forced name changes for the sake of "fitting in."

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Black people...do well by your kids and give them names that society respects.
Society does not equal white people. Just because you choose to believe that nobody with a name like Antwun can be successful doesn't give you the right to demand that people choose more WASPy names.

I bet you could've said just as easily saying "With a name like "Barack," the victim was destined for greatness. " Or how about "With a name like "Shaquille," the victim was destined for greatness. "
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