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Old 06-04-2011, 11:31 PM
 
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People are not pets. Pets don't have children or relatives to be involved. It's easy to know a pet has no quality of life if they cannot be healed. A person has family to fall back on and is more involved in life than an animal.

Paralysed people do have quality of life even is you don't think so.
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Old 06-04-2011, 11:32 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Some people suffer terribly but they come out of it and go on to lead wonderful lives. Maybe you don't know anything about suffering. Those who have suffered can tell you.
People with terminal cancer or ALS are going to come out of it and live wonderful lives? OMG!

Many of those who ARE suffering will tell you they would rather die than continue suffering when there is NO CHANCE of EVER "coming out of it" and "leading wonderful lives".

Maybe they would like to be able to choose to die peacefully, without pain and with their dignity intact......instead of spending the last days, weeks, months or years suffering horribly..... greeting each day hoping death will finally come.
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Old 06-04-2011, 11:42 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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People are not pets. Pets don't have children or relatives to be involved. It's easy to know a pet has no quality of life if they cannot be healed. A person has family to fall back on and is more involved in life than an animal.

Paralysed people do have quality of life even is you don't think so.
News Flash......many people would rather have there loved ones given the choice to die on their own terms instead of keeping them alive for their own selfish reasons.

And.....pets most assuredly do have families involved in their lives.....people who love them dearly.

And.....who are YOU to decide whether a paralized person has quality of life? The person who is paralized is the ONLY one who can make that decision.

And....not everyone has family to fall back on.

A person lying in a bed 24/7 is more "involved" in life than a pet? Really? You have also taken it upon yourself to decide that pets are not involved in life?
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Old 06-04-2011, 11:54 PM
 
Location: Northern CA
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The point being he chose to stay alive as long as possible. Others would choose not to. That's what this issue is about: Choice for your own life.
Actually my point was this. Kevorkian, in 129 of his cases, had the people push the button or lever, to self administer when they were ready. So I presented a scenario where the person would be unable to press the lever. Some seem to think it would be easy for someone to kill themselves, I don't think so, even when the desire is overwhelming. It is comforting to have a doctor that can ensure your passing will be quick and stress free, with family present.
Kevorkian administered the last patient, because he wanted the issue before the court. He wanted a ruling, even tho, he believed they would rule against him, as they did. He was courageous enough to risk his own freedom, to put the issue before the public. It is their life, to live and die as they decide.
If they are unable to communicate their wishes, the closest family members, with input from the physician, should make the decision, on behalf of the interest of the loved one.
I read that 80% of us die in ICU, whereas in the 3 states where this is legal, more people are able to die in the comfort of their home. That is significant.
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Old 06-05-2011, 12:01 AM
 
Location: Northern CA
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Some people suffer terribly but they come out of it and go on to lead wonderful lives. Maybe you don't know anything about suffering. Those who have suffered can tell you.
Kevorkian didn't just meet once with his patients. He checked back with them over a period of months, he examined their records, he spoke with them and their spouses. On the day he would help them end their lives, he would ask them repeatedly if they were sure. As I said, he set it up, they pressed the button. How can you possibly have a problem with that?
Nothing about this was cavalier. If it's not their decision - who's is it? If you don't own your own life, who does?
What are you so afraid of?
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Old 06-05-2011, 12:03 AM
 
Location: west mich
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Some people suffer terribly but they come out of it and go on to lead wonderful lives. Maybe you don't know anything about suffering. Those who have suffered can tell you.
I had a sister in home hospice die from cancer lingering for months, so I do know something btw.
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Old 06-05-2011, 12:03 AM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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Why?
Because then there is no need for a law or any government involvement.
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Old 06-05-2011, 12:06 AM
 
Location: Northern CA
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Some people suffer terribly but they come out of it and go on to lead wonderful lives. Maybe you don't know anything about suffering. Those who have suffered can tell you.
We are talking about the terminally ill here, not people that are going thru something temporary.
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Old 06-05-2011, 12:06 AM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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What don't you get about "choice?"

We give that CHOICE to pet owners. Why can we not make the same CHOICE for ourselves?
You should be free to kill yourself I agree.

You can kill YOURSELF,not some other person kill you.

Seems simple enough.
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Old 06-05-2011, 12:11 AM
 
Location: Northern CA
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People are not pets. Pets don't have children or relatives to be involved. It's easy to know a pet has no quality of life if they cannot be healed. A person has family to fall back on and is more involved in life than an animal.

Paralysed people do have quality of life even is you don't think so.
I could argue that it's harder for pets, because they can't communicate - so we are left to decide for them, when it is time to let them go.
How can you tell us that you think paralyzed people have a fine quality of life? That's an outrageous statement, are you hearing yourself?
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