Jack Kevorkian, crusader for right to assisted suicide, has died. (attorney, abortion)
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There's a special place in Hell for people like you. I don't say that lightly. You turned your mother-in-law's pain into a selfish experience for yourself. How dare you? How dare you force that selfishness on others?
I'll be honest. My first impulse is to call you a nasty name. I'll control myself though. Did you read my post? She was a dear, sweet woman. We loved her. But it's not up to us.
God used her death to glorify himself. The whole ordeal was bigger than her. It was about more than her life. She's gone now, but it affected more than her. Through her sickness and death she glorified her creator. I sincerely hope that someday I can have such a profound influence on others. Her lasting legacy is more than just the fact that she lived for 76 years.
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There may soon be a point in time where my cancer moves from curable and stable to unmanageable and refractory. Have you ever faced that?
I watched her progress. Yes. I've seen it happen.
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I am 23. I might not live to see my 25th birthday.
My sincerest prayers are for you. I am deeply sorry for you. I pray that God may heal you.
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There's nothing dignified about forcing my parents to take care of me if I reach the point where I cannot take care of myself. If it gets to that point, I would have to move 1000 miles away to where my parents live away from friends, the rest of my extended family, and everything I know and love. Without assisted suicide, I would die in pain and alone. In the past few months, I have gone through more pain than you can possibly imagine. If it reaches the point that the rest of my life looks like it's going to continue down that path, I have people in place to help me shorten it.
I am honestly very sorry for you. Please understand that I am not wishing bad thoughts on you or anyone.
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It is absolutely despicable that people like you make it so that I cannot do this with dignity and that the people who love me enough to help me face criminal charges. By the time I get to that point, I will not physically be able to procure the drugs to make this possible for me. Committing suicide alone is much more traumatic and dirty for my family than doing it with the approval of all involved.
Come back and talk to me when you have a terminal illness. Until then, you're a selfish, heartless shell of a person.
Yes. I do. I watched my mother-in-law die about 4 months ago. She had parkinson's and alzheimers. It was horrible.
I also watched her devoted husband of 51 years stay by her side until the end. I helped take her to the hair dresser or the doctor, etc. I watched her degrade. My father-in-law had a group of 8 guys that would come on a rotation every Sunday to get them to church. They were the pallbearers at her funeral. These men were blessed by the opportunity to serve. I personally thanked 4 of them on the day of the funeral--one being an 18 year old kid. His dad stood there grinning ear to ear with pride in his boy.
But it's not up to us to decide when it's time to go. The act of suicide is total arrogance. A selfish act like that denies others the chance to bless you by serving, and it makes a statement that you are somehow able to tell God you can make a better decision than he can.
Yes. I do. I watched my mother-in-law die about 4 months ago. She had parkinson's and alzheimers. It was horrible.
I also watched her devoted husband of 51 years stay by her side until the end. I helped take her to the hair dresser or the doctor, etc. I watched her degrade. My father-in-law had a group of 8 guys that would come on a rotation every Sunday to get them to church. They were the pallbearers at her funeral. These men were blessed by the opportunity to serve. I personally thanked 4 of them on the day of the funeral--one being an 18 year old kid. His dad stood there grinning ear to ear with pride in his boy.
But it's not up to us to decide when it's time to go. The act of suicide is total arrogance. A selfish act like that denies others the chance to bless you by serving, and it makes a statement that you are somehow able to tell God you can make a better decision than he can.
All due respect... "God" has nothing to do with it...
Killing yourself is easy enough for almost anyone,those who needed Kevorkians 'help' to do so must have been a bit slow or more likely wanted someone else to do it for them.
I personally do not care if you kill yourself or not,other people do not matter to me,it is your business as long as I am not paying for it.
As to Kevorkian being some sort of martyr,well okay.
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Although Kevorkian claimed to be an advocate for the terminally ill, by the estimation of the investigative reporters at the Detroit Free Press, at least 60% of the people who committed suicide with Kevorkian's help were not terminally ill. Furthermore, the reporters found that:[46][47]
Kevorkian's counseling was often limited to phone calls and brief meetings that included family members and friends.
There was no psychiatric examination in at least 19 Kevorkian suicides, including several in which friends or family had responded that the patient was despondent over matters other than health.
In at least 17 assisted suicides in which people complained of chronic pain, Kevorkian did not refer the patients to a pain specialist.
Kevorkian's access to medical records varied widely; in some instances, he received only a brief summary of the attending physician's prognosis.
Autopsies of at least three Kevorkian suicides revealed no anatomical evidence of disease.
At least 19 patients died less than 24 hours after meeting Kevorkian for the first time.
However, the accuracy of these findings is disputed by Kevorkian and his supporters.
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But it's not up to us to decide when it's time to go. The act of suicide is total arrogance. A selfish act like that denies others the chance to bless you by serving, and it makes a statement that you are somehow able to tell God you can make a better decision than he can.
So, you're saying the concept God gave man free will is BS? How is it not selfish inferring someone should suffer immense pain in order to allow others to serve? That in itself is total arrogance, the belief someone else should suffer in order that you can serve. What a load of self-serving selfish crap!
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He had been hospitalized for a month with pneumonia and kidney problems. The nurses were playing Bach for him at the end. They likely knew it was coming close...he must have known. I call him a coward for hanging on when he ushered people out in the name of mercy.
I call you a distorter of reality, he ushered people out humanely at their request.
The ultimate choice that a human can make is to live or die, every person should have that right whether they're physically capable of making it happen or not. I don't believe in suicide nor do I plan on killing myself but that's my choice, not the choice of anyone else. Anyone who's had a relative live years or decades in a vegetative state knows that quality of life means something. If someone wants out of their misery and can make that choice their wishes should be honored.
I truly hope someone takes up his cause. Luckily, people are opening their eyes and seeing that it's downright cruel to force terminally ill people to languish in a sort of half life that can only be properly supported by machines and millions of dollars in useless drugs.
Think about it: a horse breaks its leg, and we humanely put it to sleep because it would otherwise face a short life filled w/ pain. Pet owners put tier sick pets to sleep to end their suffering (my own dog had liver issues that was incurable and I had her PTS). In this day and age, you could very well be ARRESTED with animal cruelty for allowing a horse w/ a broken leg or an obviously dying pet to continue living. We provide such compassion to animals, but can't do it for our fellow human beings when they're dying, some who are even dying in pain, or dying w/ so many drugs in their system that they can't fell anything at all. Is this somehow better, forcing people to die slowly, painfully, drug addled and hooked up to machines?
God forbid if I'm ever in that position, I would want a Dr. Kevorkian in this world to give me the option to end my dying life as I choose and not as how the government, insurance industry, and pharmaceutical companies choose.
I think assisted suicide should be allowed, but it should be somehow regulated. have some third party who doesn't stand to gain anything from prolonging a dying patient's life, to talk w/ them, examine them, etc. Obviously, people who are mentally ill and can be helped w/ therapy and/or medication shouldn't have access to suicide kits. People wanting to pursue this route should be of sound mind (or sound enough to make this decision).
It's a tricky situation in that I don't agree w/ suicide, but I don't agree w/ prolonging the pain of a dying person.
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