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Even citizens who pay no income tax still pay other kinds of taxes.
They pay Social Security and Medicare taxes when they work, sales taxes
when they buy things and property taxes on their homes. Drivers pay
gasoline taxes, and smokers and drinkers pay excise taxes on tobacco and
alcohol. More than 75 percent of us will pay at least some form of federal tax in 2011.
So what? We all pay those taxes along with federal taxes.
Only about 14 percent of Americans paid neither income or payroll taxes. Most of those people are elderly, though about 6 percent of non-elderly Americans pay neither income nor payroll taxes. The vast majority of those with no tax liability are elderly or are low-income families.
Everyone should pay something. Most of the recipient class have a negative "social footprint". They consume way more than they will ever pay.
. Yup, it's called the "social contract" - a concept discussed at some length by the enlightenment philosopher, Thomas Paine. Paine's thought had a very strong influencing on our founding fathers, including Thomas Jefferson and James Madison, among others. How dare our government act in the spirit of the writers of the Constitution?
How's this for a "social contract"....we support you, and you live like you appreciate it. That's not a lot to ask. Recipient class people should stop making demands on what their "rights" are.
You can believe the US would be a stronger country if it tossed the most vulnerable members of American society to the dogs. It's what they do in the Third World, so why shouldn't we?
No. We would be a stronger country is those who take would at least feel grateful.
True enough. It would be nice if those old people and children could live in something other than decaying urban slums and have enough food to eat. What's with this "productive class", anyway? America's wealthiest 20 percent earns half the nation's income. We are talking about people like the corporate finance CEO's who drove the US economy to its knees with their self serving decisions that ended up destroying the institutions they supposedly worked for and forced the rest of us to bail them out with our own hard earned money. Meanwhile these corporate criminals floated away on golden parachutes. That's productive?
While there are some crooks in corporate America, it's a cop out for people to continue to blame that for their failures. Why does it matter who got away with what? How does that effect you? Or do you feel that since someone else got something, you should too?
Precisely. Where will crooked financial institutions and big buisiness go for their corporate wellfare handouts? What will they do without their sweetheart deals with the government (think Halliburten), their undeserved tax breaks, and the laws enacted for no other purpose than to help fatten their bottom line?
How do you know that any company's tax breaks are undeserved? If it were up to me, I'd make corporate income tax zero. They create jobs.
Be a toady for the wealthy and the international mega corporations all you want and see where it gets you - a stray dog snapping up scraps that fall from their table as they laugh at how easy you and others like were to manipulate for their own ends.
Why do allow yourself to be a stay dog waiting for scraps?
It's clear that we NEED wealth redistribution when the top 1% has seen their pay rise far outpacing inflation while the rest of us have had our wages stagnate.
Yes, our government can, has, and should once again redistribute wealth.
I make between 30 to 40 thousand a year and I voted no. I'd like to see a flat tax or consumption tax. Low income people don't pay income taxes (returned at the end of the year). Let everyone pay the exact same percentage of income tax.
The question I have is who many people are in favor of corporations redistributing the wealth to executives and sending investment capital outside the United States to finance the building of factories, research and development centers, retail outlets and distribution centers in low wage emerging market countries around the world while middle class wage growth has stagnated in this country for the past 30 years?
Recipient class are the people who have zero federal tax liability, but suck up the benefits.
Productive class are we who work and pay into the system, therefore allowing the recipients to live.
And there is the EXPLOITIVE class. Those that take cheap capital here in the United States and use it to invest in low wage emerging market countries for huge profits. Then lay off American workers or give bullsh*t 3% to 5% wage increased to middle class workers while they are taxed 15% on capital gains and face the lowest individual tax rates in more than 60 years and let's not even talk about the tax loopholes these people take advantage of.
If you don't think the Coroprate America is exploiting the American people then you are either asleep, distracted by 200 channels of high def TV or just too f**king stupid realize what is going on.
47% of those surveyed say yes, the government should redistribute wealth through heavy taxes on the rich.
This is very interesting because I believe the official figure is about 47% of all people pay no federal income tax, whatsoever. Even more interesting is that this demographic is more
likely to consume government services. So basically you have the government taking from one group and giving to another, yet the recipient class consistently clamors that they want even more from the productive class, and that the productive class is greedy and selfish for wanting to keep the spoils of their own labor. The productive class is shrinking by the day, and the recipient class is getting bigger and bigger. What will happen when there's no
more worker bees left to carry everyone else on their back?
it's interesting you apparently make the distinction of who is wealthy at 75000. Which is honestly absurd. Someone trying to support a family on 75 grand a year is not wealthy.
most people today draw that line 200 grand.
And people making above 200 grand are taxed less now then they've been in the past. But the people who are in the top 1 percentile are the ones we are so angry about. These are the people who are currently taxed a rate that is far below the rate that they have been historically taxed.
these people are no longer payong their fair sshare to the country that enabled them to become so wealthy. This will be changed as people are tired of them skating by with pointless arguments like yours about worker bees. Calling the richest people in this country "worker" anything is absurd. They pay people to do their work.
And there is the EXPLOITIVE class. Those that take cheap capital here in the United States and use it to invest in low wage emerging market countries for huge profits. Then lay off American workers or give bullsh*t 3% to 5% wage increased to middle class workers while they are taxed 15% on capital gains and face the lowest individual tax rates in more than 60 years and let's not even talk about the tax loopholes these people take advantage of.
If you don't think the Coroprate America is exploiting the American people then you are either asleep, distracted by 200 channels of high def TV or just too f**king stupid realize what is going on.
Nobody in America is exploited.
People earn what their labor or skills are valued at.
Please answer this....what do you tip a pizza delivery guy? Have you increased that amount by 100% + because that's what gas prices increased?
What about a landscaper, babysitter or newspaper delivery person?
Is there a value placed on their labor?
That same philosophy carries throughout the economy.
How does the fact that people INVEST in things that create capital are forced to surrender 15% of their return effect you, or other recipient class people?
Should we just drive through a poor neighborhood and throw money out the window?
it's interesting you apparently make the distinction of who is wealthy at 75000. Which is honestly absurd. Someone trying to support a family on 75 grand a year is not wealthy.
most people today draw that line 200 grand.
And people making above 200 grand are taxed less now then they've been in the past. But the people who are in the top 1 percentile who are currently taxed a rate that is far below the rate that they have been historically taxed.
these people are no longer payong their fair sshare to the country that enabled them to become so wealthy. This will be changed as people are tired of them skating by with pointless arguments like yours about worker bees. Calling the richest people in this country "worker" anything is absurd. They pay people to do their work.
Who establishes what "fair" is?
Let's say that I have a specific skill or talent. Let's say in sales.
There are many salespeople in America, but 20% make 80% of the income.
Because I am in the top 5% of earners, due to the fact that I've honed my skills and worked at perfecting my ability, while others haven't, should I be punished for that by being taxed at a higher percentage?
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