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Old 06-07-2011, 09:48 AM
 
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In the second amendment, yes. But in the Bible? That comes from a different thread.

You better not, but given the passion, I doubt you're able to. Having said that, the constitution was never meant to micro-manage. It authorizes the government to, as you prefer to call it, "force" the society to pay taxes and use it towards defense and general welfare. Don't worry, I'm not implying social welfare as being the only form of welfare, but towards the prosperity and against suffering of the people. Unless your idea of general welfare is to be okay with people not being able to get medicare care. Never mind the fact that more than 60% of medicaid costs are actually used by the disabled/elderly (which make up only a fraction of the enrollment).


When we deal with costs, should we go by who is covered (the count in enrollment) as opposed to where the spending is? Because, even though Medicaid is assumed to be a way for the poor and for such children (CHIP) to have health care, most of the spending (over 60%) goes towards addressing the needs of the elderly/disabled who also happen to be on Medicare.
You misunderstand the general welfare clause.
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Old 06-07-2011, 09:50 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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You misunderstand the general welfare clause.
Who appointed you arbiter of just what that clause means?
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Old 06-07-2011, 09:51 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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You misunderstand the general welfare clause.
I knew you were going there. I would also love to know your interpretation of it.
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Old 06-07-2011, 09:51 AM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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Successful people do not have a responsibility to pay for the unsuccessful.

The Constitution certainly does not state that one man has to carry the responsibility of another.
Which could mean that your constitution is outdated

If those who are for whatever reason not successful lived in their own country, ok. But they are forced to live in the same country where the successful make the rules. It is a relatively small percentage of freaks who keep forcing all of society into a merciless rat race, so they are also responsible for those who cannot succeed there.
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Old 06-07-2011, 09:52 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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One of the core principals taught in business school is to NEVER take responsibility.
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Old 06-07-2011, 09:53 AM
 
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The constitution does not expect the individual to pay. It establishes the government to do the job to collect.
Well then, taxation should be spread equally, regardless of your ability.

Here's some info for you....individuals ARE the government.

Until we establish a new amendment that states "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need", welfare, food stamps, social security, medicaid, medicare, etc. should be abolished.
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Old 06-07-2011, 09:54 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Which could mean that your constitution is outdated

If those who are not successful for whatever reason lived in their own country, ok. But they are forced to live in the same country where the successful make the rules. It is a relatively small percentage of freaks who keep forcing all of society into a merciless rat race, so they are also responsible for those who cannot succeed.
Really ? How do they force them to drop out of school ?
How do they force them to not get skills to get out of the min wage zombie jobs ? How do they force them to have families when they can't even afford to keep themselves afloat financially ? How do they force them to look to the government for food, clothing and shelter ?

Rural poor seem to make out a lot better with the little they are given but the urban poor want everything the middle class has.
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Old 06-07-2011, 09:55 AM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Why should it? What is the source of your numbers? Hint: NHS (UK) runs with a budget of $200 Billion or less and covers people of all ages.


It just might depend on the credibility/quality of your links? VA hospitals are the most socialized of any system in the USA, and it is also the least expensive. It costs 35% less per person than Medicare.
I have two questions for you from this post.

How many people have to be paid for in the UK system called NHS? I would think quite a bit less than in the US.

Do you have some credible links for your VA information? I have talked with veterans who need lots of care who have moved and moved in order to find a VA hospital that can take care of them. I think that you over rate the VA program but whip out those links, anyway.

Oh yeah the links I talked about were posted by left handed people so maybe they weren't so very credible.
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Old 06-07-2011, 09:55 AM
 
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Which could mean that your constitution is outdated

If those who are for whatever reason not successful lived in their own country, ok. But they are forced to live in the same country where the successful make the rules. It is a relatively small percentage of freaks who keep forcing all of society into a merciless rat race, so they are also responsible for those who cannot succeed there.
Amend the Constitution.

While you're at it, take all ambition away from the human spirit.
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Old 06-07-2011, 09:58 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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You misunderstand the general welfare clause.
"general welfare" means HUD, food stamps, WIC, welfare, extended UE, medicaid, free breakfast, lunch, dinner, cell phones, etc.

But we have reached the tipping point where those needing "general welfare" are close to outnumbering those that pay for the "general welfare".
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