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Old 06-09-2011, 11:36 PM
 
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If they come to power, we will have them all in one place, and can take them out in one shot. Otherwise, they are everywhere, seeking and planning to getcha.
Hope they're able to make it up to St. Moritz this weekend.
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Old 06-10-2011, 12:56 AM
 
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Think we will ever get the job done, or are we just giving their enlistment numbers a boost?

Our own civil war and the two world wars took half as long, are you looking to hand this one down to your grandchildren along with the debt?


Great points Frank!
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Old 06-10-2011, 01:15 AM
 
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The United States is at war with everyone by that logic.. we do covert stuff everywhere
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Old 06-10-2011, 04:52 AM
 
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So we need to invade and occupy every nation in the world where terrorists might be, to root out those who hate us for our militaristic arrogance? Considering we have already spent well over $1 trillion dollars on foreign wars supposedly in retaliation for terrorism, exactly how much success have we achieved? Are there less terrorists now? Do they hate us any less? Are we safer? Certainly the over 6,000 American servicemen killed in these wars thanks to Washington's choice are not safer, when only 3,000 were killed by terrorism on 9/11. If anything, waging wars around the world only proves to terrorists that America IS incredibly arrogant, militaristic, and dangerous to the rest of the world. Had we NOT waged multiple wars, but simply did the things we needed to do to protect ourselves, we would have accomplished our objective AND saved a trillion dollars that we could have spent on productive and benevolent things.

Considering that our economy has collapsed now that Middle Class jobs are overseas for good, and our federal government alone is over $14.3 trillion in debt, with another $1.65 trillion added onto that every year, exactly HOW MUCH MORE money must we borrow and pay interest on to feed the War Machine? Remember, we've already borrowed so much compared to our GNP ("A latest Treasury report predicts that the national debt will be 102 percent of the country's gross domestic product before this year is over." How the Federal Debt Is Drowning the U.S. Economy in Red Ink | Sunshine State News), that we're looking at Greece-style austerity measures within the next 2 years, and probable loss of reserve currency status, meaning skyrocketing interest rates when interest ALREADY consumes a huge part of the budget.

The nation is bankrupt, our national debt is basically impossible to deal with, our government has grown out of control and absurdly expensive, our economy is gutted, the Middle Class is largely gone, the Baby Boom is in the process of retiring (with the entire SS Trust Fund already spent on other things), national infrastructure is crumbling, and we face a "Perfect Storm" of disasters all hitting at once.

Unless we really want to see an America where most of us are starving in the streets, and the "lucky" few must work 80 hour weeks for minimum wage and then turn 95% of their income over to the government, we have to abandon the idea of continuing to waste money waging pointless and unwinnable wars.

Government would love to further gut Social Security and Medicare (the only program that most citizens get ANYTHING back from, in return for insane taxes on everything), in order to keep the money flowing to the Halliburtons and shadow government activities and overt War Machine industry. Don't think the government point to every single person out there who ignores the insane cost and says, "Yea! More Wars! Whomp those terrorists!" Washington would LOVE to continue to feed the Military-Industrial Complex while the American people starve in the streets and give everything they earn to government.

I must ask, since half of the people don't pay a penny in federal income tax (though they do pay FICA tax, which for decades produced excess funds that were stolen from the SS Trust Fund and went to pay for War-Mongering)--how many of those who DO pay significant amounts of federal income tax, support continued war-making and will sacrifice their own Social Security and Medicare to pay for it?

My family pays a large amount of federal income tax every year (for decades now), and I do not support ONE PENNY going to foreign wars. There has not been a necessary war since WWII, and if there IS a necessary one that actually threatens the U.S., we are ALREADY bankrupt, and couldn't afford to fight it.

Frankly, I did not work insane hours my whole life to feed a corrupt and evil Military-Industrial complex, and Washington has already slashed my generation's promised benefits significantly, when they raised the SS taxes in 1983 and raised the retirement age for a total 4 years of lost benefits to my spouse and I. It's the ONE program through which I might recover a small amount of the HUGE part of my lifetime earnings that was confiscated by government.
this is such a good post.

i would add how many believe in these wars enough to not only give up their own benefits to fund them, but to actually go fight them? there are a lot of armchair quarterbacks out there.


that confiscated SS money is gone, and you can bet with this kind of spending the government will HAVE to find other ways to confiscate money to keep up the obscene spending. japan sure as heck isn't going to be buying our bonds for a long time, although our government may pretend that japan is still in the game.

we aren't even protecting our own oil interests there, that is how bad it is. (this is europe's supply line that we are pretending to protect. actually, what we are doing is INCREASING oil usage, which INCREASES oil prices for americans and INCREASES our trade deficit, which denies an economic recovery of any sort.

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Old 06-10-2011, 05:16 AM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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Natural gas is not an alternative fuel but it is the cleanest burning of the fossil fuels.

As for the spending of money I keep wondering how telling my Congressmen to vote against it would work since we are nearly through the second year without a Congress created budget. That allows Obama to spend money that has not been okayed by Congress. That may be the reason Harry Reid doesn't want to see a budget that he said he sees no reason to have.
Alternative - different from the normal.

Right now, we run on oil. Natural gas is a viable solution to our oil addiction, is it not?

If congress doesn't submit any budget, then the government shuts down. We all remember that from earlier this year.

The difference is the message. They said they were doing it for financial responsibility before. Tell people you're wanting to end the war, show how much money its taking away from them, and the people will follow that.

Its not the shutting down, its the reason that matters.
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Old 06-10-2011, 05:18 AM
 
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US intensifying secret campaign of Yemen airstrikes

The Obama administration has intensified the American covert war in Yemen, exploiting a growing power vacuum in the country to strike at militant suspects with armed drones and fighter jets, according to American officials.

Is this good or bad?
Fantastic!

War front number 4!

Transparency at its finest!
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Old 06-10-2011, 05:18 AM
 
Location: Hoboken
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Obama's doing it so it's all good.....
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Old 06-10-2011, 05:18 AM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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They only served 30 years apart and many things took place in that period.
Yeah, the military industrial complex grew, we fought in other needless "military actions", and we didn't listen to Eisenhower.

And even though the military grew bloated before Reagan, he doubled down on increasing military spending.
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Old 06-10-2011, 05:54 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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The point of this and all our wars since Korea is to keep the money flowing to the contractors, provide combat experience for the Officers, "Patriotic" speeches by the Warmongers, borrowing from the international financiers and, for some, the spread of fundamentalist Christianity into the lands of the heathens and blasphemers.
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