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Old 06-10-2011, 10:54 AM
 
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Those professions only have to hire the lawyers because Law makers want it that way.
If you need surgery on your back, would you go to a car mechanic?
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Old 06-10-2011, 11:08 AM
 
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I was involved in a suit once.

What was interesting about the whole process is that it had nothing to do with getting to the truth. Just manipulating facts. And in the end, even the plaintiff got screwed...but the lawyers walked away with cash in their pockets.

It was a thoroughly fascinating process...like the most interesting colonoscopy you ever had.

Then I was called as an expert witness in another case...and again, it was interesting how nothing was about truth or justice...it was about proving little points that would, as a whole, hopefully influence a bunch of jurors.

Honestly, I would love to go to law school (and my lawyer relatives/friends tell me I'd love it and be great at it) just for the mental exercise. It's really quite interesting to me. I just would never do it as a job.


It all depends on the job...I've got a great gig now, 40 hours a week and hardly any travel, and just enough litigation to keep things interesting.

I was a prosecutor before, and that just flat out sucked.

As for the truth, what is that? Who gets to decide in a world where everyone's perception is their own reality?

I know it's politically incorrect in some people's opinion to say this, but I think juries are usually not that great at sorting out the truth. Give me a trained, logical, experienced and politically UNACCOUNTABLE judge any day rather than a box full of boneheads who can be swayed by emotional appeals and other nonsense.
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Old 06-10-2011, 11:24 AM
 
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The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers.

Henry The Sixth, Part 2 Act 4, scene 2


It's a fact that most people have a negative opinion of lawyers. Some of these opinions are no doubt deserved. As with any profession, there are some bad apples that taint the batch, and the good apples unfairly take the blame. No matter what kind of law they practice, or how well, or how ethically, lawyers have to put up with all sorts of abuse.

Late last night, one of the best lawyers in the world and a noble champion of civil rights sadly passed away after a long struggle with ALS. The world is just a little dimmer this morning as a result.

A few years back, he gave a graduation speech which addressed the infamous Shakespeare quote above that I hope will stimulate some discussion here:



YouTube - ‪Professor Steve Gey: Inspiration for Lawyers‬‏

I'm not able to view the video where I am. I assume that he, in part, talks about how the quoted phrase is virtually always read out of context; that in fact, the speaker was conspiring with others to overthrow the king or such, and take power themselves, and they knew that it would be the lawyers who would raise objections that the conspirators were violating the 'law of the land'. Hence, silence those who would attempt to defeat the unlawful scheme.

I will watch the video this evening.
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Old 06-10-2011, 11:26 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Been an expert witness in many cases of litigation. I have seen consumers without any law experience, put high powered attorney's to shame.

Lawyers are just people that understand the law. They bend your version of the facts, to liquidate your wallet, even though they know you don't have a chance in hell, of winning more than you will owe them.

I have met one attorney, that actually wanted to know if it was worth it, or did they have a case. In 20 years, only one.
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Old 06-10-2011, 11:36 AM
 
Location: South Bay Native
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Were you sued recently or something?

And lawyers get paid, on average, about as well as dental hygienists.
In CA, where I live, the average salary for a dental hygienist is $63,000. For Lawyers, it is $101,000.

I think you need to fact check your comments before you post them.
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Old 06-10-2011, 11:38 AM
 
Location: Silver Springs, FL
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"Old Willie was right, lets kill all the lawyers, lets kill them tonight"


YouTube - ‪The Eagles - Get over it‬‏
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Old 06-10-2011, 11:45 AM
 
Location: Cincinnati
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the 'good work' in the profession basically amounts to giving "regular people" access to the world of lawyers. eg providing pro bono work to a non-profit that is being sued for something unjust.

a better scenario would be to not have a world of lawyers.
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Old 06-10-2011, 11:49 AM
 
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Were you sued recently or something?

And lawyers get paid, on average, about as well as dental hygienists.
Completely inaccurrate salary comparision.

And no I was not sued but I loathe people who think they can get rich by suing their way through life.
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Old 06-10-2011, 11:51 AM
 
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I was involved in a suit once.

What was interesting about the whole process is that it had nothing to do with getting to the truth. Just manipulating facts. And in the end, even the plaintiff got screwed...but the lawyers walked away with cash in their pockets.

It was a thoroughly fascinating process...like the most interesting colonoscopy you ever had.

Then I was called as an expert witness in another case...and again, it was interesting how nothing was about truth or justice...it was about proving little points that would, as a whole, hopefully influence a bunch of jurors.

Honestly, I would love to go to law school (and my lawyer relatives/friends tell me I'd love it and be great at it) just for the mental exercise. It's really quite interesting to me. I just would never do it as a job.
The adversarial process is typically the only practical way you can get to the "truth" of the matter when there's a dispute. Old societies used to have magistrates who made their decision based on the reputation of the parties, and it always favored the well-born, and was rife with open corruption. The justice system isn't perfect, and to the untrained eye, it looks like little more than parsed words and manipulation. But the intention is to get to the bone-truth as close as possible.
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Old 06-10-2011, 11:52 AM
 
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it all depends on the job...i've got a great gig now, 40 hours a week and hardly any travel, and just enough litigation to keep things interesting.

I was a prosecutor before, and that just flat out sucked.

As for the truth, what is that? Who gets to decide in a world where everyone's perception is their own reality?

i know it's politically incorrect in some people's opinion to say this, but i think juries are usually not that great at sorting out the truth. Give me a trained, logical, experienced and politically unaccountable judge any day rather than a box full of boneheads who can be swayed by emotional appeals and other nonsense.
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