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Someone is trying to take my liberties away from me. The power of the people who vote in the men and women are now saying, that to show patriotism in any way shape or form, is wrong. That the mere reciting of our allegiance for our country is some how an attempt to brainwash me into believing (in) my country may stand for something good and that is wrong.
People do what they believe in, when they stop believing, they stop doing. That is what is being taught our children today by eliminating the reciting along with the explanation of, why it is we do this.
What you call indoctrination, I call it believing in something so great a person is willing to make their stand (of their own free will) and if necessary die for it.
Yes I challenge the authority of the government, by way of the American people who have the power to vote. I question the right authority when I question the right they perceive to have that they step on my liberties to teach or have my children taught, right from wrong.
Not only do we have a failure to appreciate, we have a failure to vote into office, those who would reign in the all powerful representatives of us.
Want limited government? Then stop voting into office those who will grow the government. See---the government is not the problem, the people who vote are. In this country the people are the government. It says so, right there in the United States Constitution. If we don't like the Supreme Courts decisions based on that document, I suggest we redress them. To do other wise states we agree with them.
When we stop teaching the American Revolution (to reject the british king) and what that was all about, that does not create a free thinker, what that creates, is a King. With each step we take towards relinquishing the rights of (Old Glory) those to stand, we move one step closer to being the generation that talks to their grand kids, on, "what is was like to be free once".
When we collectively stop believing, we will collectively stop doing. We don't live in the era of Hitler. When will stop acting as if we do?
90% percent of the posters on this thread are full of crap...and I suggest every poster read actonbells post twice before posting another comment. We are talking about children here..children that need to be taught the rights of citizenship, pride of country, and national brotherhood. The Pledge of Allegience, The National Anthem, and the Flag are symbols of all of the above. They are simple, meaningful and easily understood. Children have no problem with any of the above until adults tell them otherwise. I don't care who wrote the Pledge... I want our children to be proud to be American and I want our children to understand why. The above mentioned lays the groundwork for further lessons explaining our history, our constitution and our collective pride. The pledge is to the flag..the unifying symbol of these United States.. not the government. The Constitution is the government..are you, one person, going to set aside the parts of the Constitution you don't agree with ? No, you take it as a whole document. The same goes with the symbols of our nation..you take them as they are, if you don't agree with them then you have the freedom to find a country that you do agree with. Am I telling you to leave..no, I am reminding you that you have a choice. But that choice comes with a price...the price you pay is to pay homage to our collective symbols, to speak the language of the nation of your choice, to serve in the military if called whether by choice or conscription. And yes, soldiers have died for these freedoms..Lets talk about dead soldiers...as individuals they had different feelings about different things but as soldiers they stood shoulder to shoulder with their brothers at arms and in battle they gave their life for their country...they should be honored and revered because of that sacrifice. They gave their life so you could post your thoughtless foolishness of an opinion and IMHO you should be ashamed. How many of you posting that children should'nt be taught national pride served in the military. I'd be interested to know that. And before anyone says they knew a vet that felt way I'll say right now that I bet it was a Vietnam Vet and they have a right to feel that way. They were stabbed in the back by their countrymen, by their government, and have fought for every benefit they ever recieved from the VA. I would be bitter too.
Now lets talk about God....
Originally Posted by Who?Me?! "".... God and religion had a heck of a lot to do with the direction this nation has taken for the last 240 years and before...."" Then "God" sure has done a lousy job....but at least HE has a job....
think he could maybe find jobs for others???? Why not? Why did he let it get so bad UNDER HIS direction???? What kind of delusion are you living under??? You make it sound like God abandoned us as a nation... Well, let me set you straight on that one..God hasn't abandoned us ..WE have abandoned God. Don't make me explain that one.
What you are posting...freedom of speech, free thought..children don't understand that ... They just want to know where their shoes are, when dinner is being served, and what trendy peice of bling they want next. Should they be FORCED to say the Pledge of Allegience? You're damn right they should...and when they are old enough to know the difference then they will decide for themselves whether or not they want to stand with other citizens and recite the Pledge, sing the National Anthem or any other symbol of national pride.
Like I said in the beginning..read actonbells post again and again and again..print it out and read it til you get it right..till you understand where your opinions are steering you and our country.
The question is incorrect and misleading. As a public school teacher, I do not "force" my students to say "The Pledge of Allegiance". I have, over the years, had several children of Jehovah's Witness believers and they are not allowed to say "The Pledge of Allegiance". At the beginning of the school year, I send a note home to all parents outlining what my classroom daily schedule will include. IF they have "issues" with any segment of the day, they are encouraged to schedule a P/T conference so that we may discuss it. My JW students are NEVER made to feel "inadequate" b/c they are not allowed to say "The Pledge". I usually assign them special duties during that time so that they are out of the room. ie: Lunch money runner....attendance chart....office helper...etc. I DO teach "Patriotism" in my classroom...and that includes The Pledge and singing, 'God Bless the USA'...but I don't make those who are not allowed to participate feel bad.
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It's the law. 
Do you think that children should be forced to recite the Pledge of Allegiance in Public Schools?
