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Old 06-20-2011, 05:46 AM
 
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Then marriage should be a religious ceremony only.
So religious people should be happy with just the religious ceremony then.

What do they need with a civil marriage licence?

Or all the benefits?
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Old 06-20-2011, 05:51 AM
 
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Then churches should begin to be taxed.

People who get a religious marriage should still be allowed to file for a legal marriage.
But why would they need to file for a civil "legal" marriage, if marriage is just a sacred religious thing?

Why do people who believe that marriage is only a "God given sacred marriage", tarnish it with tacky material benefits from the government?
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Old 06-20-2011, 05:57 AM
 
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Who honestly considers marriage to be sacred?
Mine is
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Old 06-20-2011, 06:04 AM
 
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So religious people should be happy with just the religious ceremony then.

What do they need with a civil marriage licence?

Or all the benefits?

I'd like to know the real answer to that, too.

One thing is, the government grants you permission, while making a buck off of it, by fining you for the license.
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Old 06-20-2011, 06:27 AM
 
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I consider marriage sacred. MY marriage is sacred to my husband and me, and to God, and nobody can take that away.

I would never use the argument that people would marry animals. I just don't believe homosexual relationships are equal to heterosexual ones, so I don't believe they should be able to get married, especially not in the eyes of the church. However, at this point, I am leaning toward getting the gov't out of marriage altogether. The gays can do what they want and take it up with God when they die. I think marriage has already been turned into a sham by many folks for the reasons you mentioned, so gays getting married really can't make it any worse. I just don't fundamentally believe gays have relationships that are equal to straight ones, so I am opposed to allowing them to marry unless gov't gets out of it altogether.
Gays and lesbians often have better relationships than straight couples.
Better communication and handling of conflict, better sharing of tasks, better sharing of power, better sharing of parenting responsibilities if they have children.

If I had $100 every time I heard a woman complain that she did far more of the housework than her husband and that he won't discuss his feelings, I'd be rich. If I had $100 every time I heard a man complaining about being nagged by his wife or not getting enough sex, I'd be even richer.

"A growing body of evidence shows that same-sex couples have a great deal to teach everyone else about marriage and relationships."

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/10/health/10well.html

http://www.psychologytoday.com/artic...ples-advantage

and on same-sex parenting:

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/1...9.00678.x/full

http://www.time.com/time/health/arti...994480,00.html

http://news.change.org/stories/gay-d...raight-parents

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Old 06-20-2011, 06:54 AM
 
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Because marriage has legal obligations and they know that its more likely to benefit society.All one had to do is look at the dependency in unmarried people with children in society. They also know that they pass this on to their children in cultural differncex over time.Studies even show that long term married people do better than unmarried people and in the end cost government less in service cost.
So you appear to be in favor of legal marriage for gay and lesbian couples? Especially if they are are raising children?
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Old 06-20-2011, 07:10 AM
 
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Look in a dictionary and define marriage for me.
Then tell me who says so. It ain't just me, compadre!
"Says you" pft!


mar·riage/ˈmarij/Noun

1. The formal union of a man and a woman, typically recognized by law, by which they become husband and wife.
2. A relationship between married people or the period for which it lasts.
Black's Law Dictionary:

marriage, n. (Bc) 1. The legal union of a couple as spouses. - The essentials of a valid marriage are (1) parties legally capable of contracting to marry, (2) mutual consent or agreement, and (3) an actual contracting in the form prescribed by law. Marriage has important consequences in many areas of the law, such as torts, criminal law, evidence, debtor-creditor relations, property, and contracts.

-Black’s Law Dictionary Ninth Edition 2009 Pg 1059
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Old 06-20-2011, 07:25 AM
 
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Black's Law Dictionary:

marriage, n. (Bc) 1. The legal union of a couple as spouses. - The essentials of a valid marriage are (1) parties legally capable of contracting to marry, (2) mutual consent or agreement, and (3) an actual contracting in the form prescribed by law. Marriage has important consequences in many areas of the law, such as torts, criminal law, evidence, debtor-creditor relations, property, and contracts.

-Black’s Law Dictionary Ninth Edition 2009 Pg 1059

Urban Dictionary:

marriage


1) What straight couples have legally and commonly don't want, and what gay couples don't have legally and commonly want.

2) the beginning of the end.

ex: Oh boy, he's getting married, our thoughts and prayers go out to him.

Urban Dictionary
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Old 06-20-2011, 07:29 AM
 
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Look in a dictionary and define marriage for me.
Then tell me who says so. It ain't just me, compadre!
"Says you" pft!


mar·riage/ˈmarij/Noun

1. The formal union of a man and a woman, typically recognized by law, by which they become husband and wife.
2. A relationship between married people or the period for which it lasts.
A dictionary is not a bible nor is it written in stone. In the case of a word such as "marriage", as the law books change, the dictionary definition of the word will follow suit. Just as new editions of dictionaries are published with additional words each year, eventually dictionaries will have updated meanings for "marriage". Now, if you insist on keeping your old dictionary and not referring to a newer one, your information willl be as outdated as your attitude on the subject of marriage, unless of course, you are under the assumption that your dictionary was written by the hand of God.
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Old 06-20-2011, 07:38 AM
 
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Society has a reasonable interest in promoting stable marriage and stable families.
Which would logically include gay and lesbian couples, especially those raising children, would it not?

Or should gay and lesbian couples with children not have the same benefits and protections as straight couples with children?

Or straight couples with NO children for that matter.
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