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Old 06-16-2011, 08:53 PM
 
Location: Appalachian New York, Formerly Louisiana
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What an appalling thread. Let's bait some Southerners yet again.
Since my last response was taken badly, I will try again.

There is no baiting going on here. If you would take a moment to look, you will notice that several northern states offer first cousin marriage.

I'm sorry you feel as though this is an aggressive thread of some kind.
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Old 06-16-2011, 09:32 PM
 
Location: Somewhere below Mason/Dixon
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You're right, don't know how I missed that.



If you're sincere be prepared to get lots of heat for this opinion.

If I looked at it right 22 states don't allow either, but I may be over or under counting. Minnesota and Oregon might be the most "liberal" to not allow either one. Several "conservative" states don't allow either one, including Idaho and Mississippi which often end up in studies as two of the most conservative states in the nation.

Pennsylvania has allowed interracial marriage since 1780, but doesn't allow either cousin or same-sex marriage. As I recall the Quakers disapproved of cousin-marriage and modern Pennsylvania has some socially conservative Christians on the other matter. That said Pennsylvania is not one of the state's with an amendment against same-sex marriage. Kansas has such an amendment and has allowed interracial marriage since 1859, which would be before statehood. Michigan has one of the strictest amendments on SSM, but has allowed interracial marriage since 1883. Which I mention as some mix these things together.

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We passed the amendment prohibiting gay marriage with a very large majority. It wasnt even close. People here tend to think gay marriage is wrong and our law reflects that. As far as cousin marriage, well that would never get serious consideration here at all. That is Jerry Springer kind of stuff and no one here would support allowing cousins to marry. You mention interracial marrriage, and your right that has been tolerated here for a long time. There is no moral or logical reason to prevent interracial marriage. If anything diversifying the gene pool is usually a good thing biologically speaking.
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Old 06-16-2011, 09:35 PM
 
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We already had this same thread two weeks ago.
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Old 06-16-2011, 09:38 PM
 
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We passed the amendment prohibiting gay marriage with a very large majority. It wasnt even close. People here tend to think gay marriage is wrong and our law reflects that. As far as cousin marriage, well that would never get serious consideration here at all. That is Jerry Springer kind of stuff and no one here would support allowing cousins to marry. You mention interracial marrriage, and your right that has been tolerated here for a long time. There is no moral or logical reason to prevent interracial marriage. If anything diversifying the gene pool is usually a good thing biologically speaking.
Yeah, I'm against gay marriages and cousin marriage. But I don't see anything wrong with interracial marriages, but apparently some people do...
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Old 06-16-2011, 09:48 PM
 
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We passed the amendment prohibiting gay marriage with a very large majority. It wasnt even close. People here tend to think gay marriage is wrong and our law reflects that. As far as cousin marriage, well that would never get serious consideration here at all. That is Jerry Springer kind of stuff and no one here would support allowing cousins to marry. You mention interracial marrriage, and your right that has been tolerated here for a long time. There is no moral or logical reason to prevent interracial marriage. If anything diversifying the gene pool is usually a good thing biologically speaking.
Please don't disrespect something scientific like biology when you clearly don't use the same logical reasoning when considering something like gay marriage, which has almost the exact same illogical and moral questions attached to it as did interracial marriage 50+ years ago.
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Old 06-16-2011, 09:50 PM
 
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Yeah, I'm against gay marriages and cousin marriage. But I don't see anything wrong with interracial marriages, but apparently some people do...
Incest and produce genetic deformities in offspring, which is at least a logical and scientific reason to be against it. You don't have that with gay marriage, which has no tangible, logical negative.
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Old 06-16-2011, 10:01 PM
 
Location: Somewhere below Mason/Dixon
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Please don't disrespect something scientific like biology when you clearly don't use the same logical reasoning when considering something like gay marriage, which has almost the exact same illogical and moral questions attached to it as did interracial marriage 50+ years ago.

Your right much of my disaproval of homosexual marriage has to do with my faith, and what god said about it in the bible. However homosexual behaivor is not a good thing when it comes to disease and infection. I dont think I need to go into details here, but I have read that homosexual behaivor is VERY unhealthy for multiple reasons. So yes you can use logic and biology to support traditional marriage. In my opinion the state should not sanction something (gay marriage) when a majority of the people are morally opposed to it, AND has proven to be an unsafe lifestyle. This is a free country and you are permitted to act upon homosexual desires, but you are not ENTITLED to have the state put its stamp of approval on it through legalized gay marriage. Whether or not a state adopts gay marriage is up to the citizens of that state, and in the end that is all that matters.
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Old 06-16-2011, 10:49 PM
 
Location: Boise
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basically it comes down to both sides making it political.. when it's not.. It's actually a culture war, where popular culture of today accepts homosexuality, but the long establishment that still lingers with the baby boomers does not... the same culture that makes news broadcasters and politicians have comb over hair cuts...the only young people against homosexuality have such a stance because they're either some hard line religion or they're looking for approval of their elders or some strange version of it.
The sky isn't going to fall, society isn't going to crumble because gays get married.. society will crumble BECAUSE people are NOT building lasting responsible relationships gay or straight.
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Old 06-17-2011, 10:30 AM
 
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basically it comes down to both sides making it political.. when it's not.. It's actually a culture war, where popular culture of today accepts homosexuality, but the long establishment that still lingers with the baby boomers does not... the same culture that makes news broadcasters and politicians have comb over hair cuts...the only young people against homosexuality have such a stance because they're either some hard line religion or they're looking for approval of their elders or some strange version of it.
The sky isn't going to fall, society isn't going to crumble because gays get married.. society will crumble BECAUSE people are NOT building lasting responsible relationships gay or straight.
Actually, there have been some compelling studies done on the rise and fall of Rome. Rome's acceptance of homosexuality as an "alternative lifestyle" appears to have played a part in their eventual fall.
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Old 06-17-2011, 05:55 PM
 
Location: Boise
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Actually, there have been some compelling studies done on the rise and fall of Rome. Rome's acceptance of homosexuality as an "alternative lifestyle" appears to have played a part in their eventual fall.
WHAT?!?! what studies? that's what religious circles say...
you better go back and read your history book on that one.. it's well documented and known what caused the fall of rome and it wasn't homosexuals

"the church" played more of a role in rome's demise

http://ancienthistory.about.com/cs/r...fallofrome.htm
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