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View Poll Results: Was it right for the Supreme Court to strike down laws against interracial marriage?
Yes, it's good that they struck the laws down 91 78.45%
No, they should have left the states decide for themselves 23 19.83%
Not sure 2 1.72%
Voters: 116. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 12-26-2018, 04:41 PM
 
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It's pure Racism and always was. As a US soldier I had to live on base because my wife was asian.
Why should the Government enforce someone else's beliefs

Well sure, but if the majority didn't approve, then that would be "our democracy" in action .......right?
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Old 12-26-2018, 04:49 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Government should stay out of the marriage business. Nothing in the Constitution about it.
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Old 12-26-2018, 05:06 PM
 
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Government should stay out of the marriage business. Nothing in the Constitution about it.


This exactly.

If we didn't let the government grab power over things that they're not supposed to have power over, then we wouldn't have stupid arguments about things like "gay rights".

The right for anyone to marry anyone they please is not a right that is handed down by the benevolence of government.....

Just like the right to self defense, the right to marry whomever you please is a natural human right.

In our quest for safety and security, we have ceded our rights to the government and now have to plead for them back and then still have to pay a fee for the privilege.
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Old 12-26-2018, 11:19 PM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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Umm, can you say non-scientific drivel? I hate to be a dick, but do you know anything about how bio-diversity actually works? And how to apply that to human genetics?

If "multiracial" children were more healthy because they somehow exhibited a sort of "hybrid vigor" which helped them combat disease, then it would be very obvious in our world today. The more "racially mixed" countries would have far healthier people, less prone to disease. But is that true? Absolutely not, it is quite the opposite. Because the "bio-diversity" necessary to combat disease has absolutely nothing to do with interracial breeding.

It comes from "beneficial gene mutations" and their proliferation throughout the gene pool(natural selection). And it comes from preventing harmful genes(generally recessive genes) from becoming too common in the gene pool.


The truth is, there is absolutely no actual benefit to interracial breeding. It serves no purpose for evolution or adaption, the human groups are already adapted to their environments. Interracial breeding without a natural selection component, just means that the current gene pool will become frozen in place, it doesn't mean it gets any better at all. Eventually, if every group had roughly the same number of children and continued to mix(and with no natural selection), you would just have a bunch of people who would all be roughly similar, but no group would any longer be adapted to their environments. From an overall point-of-view, humans would actually become genetically weaker than they are today(less adapted).

On top of this, the vast majority of gene mutations aren't beneficial, and without selection pressure, these harmful gene mutations don't die off, and these negative gene mutations will accumulate into the gene pool, while the beneficial gene mutations(that might prevent disease) won't become prevalent, because there is no force to make them more prevalent. What I mean is, lets say that someone had a gene that made them immune to all forms of cancer. The only way for all of humanity to have the gene, would be for basically everyone to die off except the one individual who had the gene, and his offspring(and only those offspring who also had it, 50% chance). This is why if you go back in time and look at any particular gene that all humans share, every single human-being is a direct relative to the first person who had that gene. All blondes for instance would share the same common ancestor.


If you really want to make humanity more healthy, interracial breeding is not something you should be looking at. Interracial breeding just means more racial groups will receive non-adapted genes from each other, or even harmful genes will become more common in some groups(such as the sickle-cell anemia) where it didn't exist before. If you actually want to make humanity more healthy, you should support a policy of Eugenics.

I always think of it like this. Lets pretend that there was a possibility of a person having "perfect genes". If that person was "inbred" with himself it wouldn't matter, the result would be another person with perfect genes. This is why 99.9% of human genes are all identical. Basically 99.9% of human genes are "ideal" or "perfect"(compared to the other genes that have become available at least).



I understand that you enjoy people of diverse backgrounds. But, the eventual result of interracial mixing will not be to preserve diversity. The actual result of diversity is the complete destruction of diversity. Humans are different because they have been isolated from each other over large periods of time.

What I am trying to say is that, there is no genetic or social benefit to racial or ethnic diversity.

Think of it like this, what benefit is there that there are hundreds of different languages in the world? Absolutely none. That doesn't mean that it isn't "cool" to have several languages(I know dorks that try to create their own new language). It doesn't mean there isn't history and culture that is tied to the different languages, that people want to preserve. But what actual benefit is there for multiple languages? There just are no benefits, it should be obvious to anyone with a brain.

There is no benefit to racial diversity, period. There is no benefit to cultural diversity, period. There is no benefit because these things just tend to divide people. Diversity means differences, if there are differences, there cannot be real equality.

I know it may sound strange. But if you actually enjoy diversity, you should be against interracial breeding. And if you hate diversity, you should support interracial breeding.


I think people get confused, because the time we live in today is sort of the beginning of this mixing. Right now, we can see the immediate results, but we don't understand the long term implications of our actions.

Think of it like taking four gallons of paint of four different colors, white, black, red, and yellow. You look at the separate gallons of paint in their own containers, and they are nothing special, just four different colors. Now, take a 5-gallon bucket, and then slowly start pouring the different colors of paint together, you will see the colors mix and melt together, as you stir it, you see a swirl of colors that all mix together making a beautiful spectrum of all different shades and colors(diversity). But now, keep stirring and stirring, and what happens? Eventually, you'll end up with just one color, brown. The world will eventually go from a world of four colors that are kept separate, to a world of only a single color. And that is the actual result of interracial breeding(if you are able to look into the distant future at least).



"The critical importance of maintaining genetic diversity with respect to disease defense genes in natural populations is indicated by certain populations which have reduced genetic variability and apparent increased vulnerability to infectious disease."


https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...69534788900584
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Old 12-27-2018, 08:46 AM
 
Location: Cali
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Most Americans in the 1800s did not support abolition of slavery either


This is why America is a democratic-republic, not based on popularity votes otherwise you have populous states like California or Tx in charge of the whole country.
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Old 12-27-2018, 08:57 AM
 
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The U.S. Supreme Court essentially legalized interracial marriage across the country in 1967, but a majority of Americans didn't approve of it until the 1990s. Since the majority opposed it, should it have remained illegal until then?

Most Americans Approve of Interracial Marriages
The will of the majority was never intended to be able to limit the basic rights of the minority. What the majority "approves of" has no bearing on the basic rights of others.
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Old 12-27-2018, 09:08 AM
 
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The U.S. Supreme Court essentially legalized interracial marriage across the country in 1967, but a majority of Americans didn't approve of it until the 1990s. Since the majority opposed it, should it have remained illegal until then?

Most Americans Approve of Interracial Marriages

We could have gotten past this sooner, if not for the racist Democratic Party doing all it could to keep the black people down.

The racist Democrats manipulated, twisted and distorted the US Constitution to allow slavery and racial discrimination; it's why we needed the 13th, 14th, and the 15th amendments. And still the Democrats in leadership thwarted the law and created black codes. Our nation had to pass the Civil Rights Act, which democrats filibustered. And still they were fighting against the law. The American people were forced to go another step and created the Voting Rights Act of 1965.

There always have been, and will be people who are bigots and racists, of all colors, religions and all political philosophies. It was the Democratic Party where the leadership actively promoted and enforced institutional racism. If not for them, the nation would not have spent so many years in the dark ages.
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Old 12-27-2018, 09:11 AM
 
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Government should stay out of the marriage business. Nothing in the Constitution about it.
I am SO DOWN with this program.
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Old 12-27-2018, 09:16 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Gilead
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It seems that a much larger share of Americans approve of same-sex marriage and it's happened much quicker than it did for interracial marriage. A majority in fact do. However, those who are opposed to same-sex marriage are much more strongly opposed and much more uncompromising. Two-thirds of Americans may accept same-sex marriage but a third of the country sees it as one of the worst evils imaginable and that's why we are currently seeing such a tantrum from the right about it.

What I wonder is if we could have avoided Trump and this entire national nightmare if SCOTUS would have waited five years to take up the case.
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Old 12-27-2018, 09:48 AM
 
Location: SC
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Whoops. I clicked the wrong button. 14th Amendment requires equal protection; so the states aren't allowed to make laws that only apply to some people. The Supreme Court was correct.

That said, I think that the government should get out of the marriage business. Do people really need a permission slip to be married?
Licensing marriage is not about "permission slips," its about preserving and enforcing the rights and responsibilities that come from marriage and the issue of offspring.
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