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No...the universe definitely had a beginning. Most people agree to that point. Try reading a book.
It had to be "caused". What caused it? Only something bigger than it and not part of it could cause it. That is God.
At some point though, you do need to have an uncaused cause--there has to be something that wasn't caused that caused the rest. You can argue that God was caused...but then who caused his cause? And the one before? And that one?
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Life forms of all types. Lots of "problems" and "vulnerabilities".
For example, the appenics. Has no use, but potentially problematical, i.e. "fatal" if gets infected.
Simply not true. Again....do some research. The appendix has been shown to help in digestion, and serves to "reboot" the system if we ever get sick enough.
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Another example - Cancer.
This is a sickness. The orignal humans, Adam and Eve, were created perfect, physically. Sin has brought with it death, which is theorized to have brought in sickness like cancer.
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Clearly, life is NOT the intended deliberate work-product of a perfect creator. It is not possible, not even remotely. Sorry, to break you bubble.
Jesus and his disciples were Jews. Of course, most of the area did speak Greek. Paul, the apostle, wrote his letters in Koine Greek. Luke, the author of one Gospel and the Book of Acts, was likely a Gentile.
I don't think most of the area was literate, though, hmmmm?
And translating is still rather subjective. Words often don't translate perfectly into another language, and the translator has to select words and therefore meanings that may not match the original writer's intent. Copying the mistranslations over and over again does not make a mistranslation correct. And when it's been translated from Aramaic to Latin, then from Latin to Italian, from Italian to Olde English, from Olde English to Tudor English, from Tudor English to modern English, from modern English to common American, the mistranslations become more and more numerous. Translation and interpretation are not objective operations.
I believe that the modern English version was translated directly from the original scrolls, I suspect that most versions were.
No...the universe definitely had a beginning. Most people agree to that point. Try reading a book.
It had to be "caused". What caused it? Only something bigger than it and not part of it could cause it. That is God.
At some point though, you do need to have an uncaused cause--there has to be something that wasn't caused that caused the rest. You can argue that God was caused...but then who caused his cause? And the one before? And that one?
Simply not true. Again....do some research. The appendix has been shown to help in digestion, and serves to "reboot" the system if we ever get sick enough.
This is a sickness. The orignal humans, Adam and Eve, were created perfect, physically. Sin has brought with it death, which is theorized to have brought in sickness like cancer.
I'm going to assume, for the moment, he means the King James Version since that is most popular among fundamentalists.
With that said, lol. He clearly neither knows where the KJV actually originates, nor does he know about the early Catholic church DIRECTLY MANIPULATING the contents of the Bible at the Council of Nicea.
No...the universe definitely had a beginning. Most people agree to that point. Try reading a book.
You've been corrected on this scores of time now, Cal. When will you stop running away and actually try to make an argument?
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It had to be "caused". What caused it? Only something bigger than it and not part of it could cause it. That is God.
The universe does not need to be caused... it is not an effect. It is not a "thing."
God, on the other hand must have been caused. Because God is a "thing."
And as we know from the laws of causality and conservation, everything that exists must have been caused.
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At some point though, you do need to have an uncaused cause--there has to be something that wasn't caused that caused the rest. You can argue that God was caused...but then who caused his cause? And the one before? And that one?
There you go again... proving that the cosmological argument in internally contradictory and self refuting.
Because if causality is true (as the cosmological argument premises), then God must have a cause.
But if God has no cause (as the cosmological argument concludes), then causality is false.
See? Direct contradiction of itself.
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