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Old 06-22-2011, 09:45 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Originally Posted by oz in SC View Post
Well it would be much better to be 'poor' in a nation that pays you to be poor of course...

Where would you rather be unemployed,in a nation that doesn't have the dole or Australia where you are paid $235/week to be unemployed?
Only an idiot would dismiss security when he/she needs it the most.
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Old 06-22-2011, 09:46 AM
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It seems the focus on social programs at the expense of economic development keeps some parts of the country mired in poverty. It probably cost the federal Government the same to give out money or create jobs. It’s hard to get some people to change how they feel about themselves or their expectations of what having a life is. A certain percentage of the population will always feel that not having to work is enviable no matter how meager they have to live.
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Old 06-22-2011, 09:55 AM
 
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I suppose you're right on this not all are motivated, but many are. They're called the working poor and there are way too many of them in this country. However we can make it easier for those who want to get themselves out of poverty/homelessness to do so, don't you think?
How much easier do we have to make it?

We have free schools and, yes, even inner-city schools manage to get kids into colleges. We have seemingly an endless array of programs from Head Start to Pell Grants. We have welfare, job training programs, public housing programs, Medicare, Medicaid, parenting classes, make work programs, and the list goes on and on and on. Heck, join the military and you not only get a decent salary, three hots and a cot, but they pay for your college when you get out. And that's just the government. Charitable institutions abound as well.

As far as the working poor are concerned, I think it bears a closer look. I used to believe that the working poor were the downtrodden in life. But now, after spending enough time around them, I find that most of them are the victims of their own decisions rather than some vast socioeconomic conspiracy--no matter what alibis they offer up for their predicament.

Success in life is actually pretty straightforward in our society: Do your schoolwork, show up to work on time, try to go a good job, keep learning new skills, don't blow your money, save for a rainy day, and commit to a lifelong partner. Do those things and, while there are no guarantees that you'll avoid bumps i the road, you are pretty much guaranteed at least a middle class existence over the long haul. But when you drop out of school, drift from one crappy job to the next, have a couple of kids by different guys by the time you're 20, spend your money on frivolous things, etc. etc., then there's no help for you. Because you first have to help yourself.

I mean short of throwing a net over these people and dragging them to the assistance office, what more should we have to do?

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Old 06-22-2011, 11:55 AM
 
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You're going to have to sew the straps on the boots, put their fingers in the holes, activate the mechanism in their brains that tells their arm to pull up and you're going to have to be the one to pump the pallet jack up yourself so these people can pull themselves up by their own bootstraps.
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Old 06-22-2011, 05:11 PM
 
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There are very few "working poor" in this country.
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Old 06-22-2011, 05:20 PM
 
Location: South Jordan, Utah
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Your facts and figures are making my head spin.
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Old 06-22-2011, 05:27 PM
 
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Your facts and figures are making my head spin.
that poster doesn't deserve facts and figures after making a statement like that.

"very few working poor"

disgusting and false.
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Old 06-22-2011, 06:14 PM
 
Location: South Jordan, Utah
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that poster doesn't deserve facts and figures after making a statement like that.

"very few working poor"

disgusting and false.
It depends on the definition of few. I imagine it is a little accurate, to be "poor" you make very little money, the Federal poverty level for a couple is $14,000. Even if they both worked minimum wage jobs full time, they would be over double the poverty level.

If someone worked so few hours that they would be in poverty, most would opt for welfare, etc.

There are a lot of people who work and don't have much at all, it is difficult to get by in our current system.
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Old 06-23-2011, 08:17 AM
 
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Of course. We need to completely change our consciousness first. We have to shift from an "each man for himself" mentality to an altruistic mentality that will resolve poverty because instead of making choices based on money we will make choices based on global livelihood.

This is obviously many steps in the future but we can make it there one step at a time.
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Old 06-23-2011, 08:29 AM
 
Location: Dallas
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that poster doesn't deserve facts and figures after making a statement like that.

"very few working poor"

disgusting and false.

No, it's not disgusting and false.

Most of the poor do not work.

In fact, there is a direct correlation between the average number of workers in a family and family income.

In other words, families that have two workers are much more likely to be in the upper income group.

If you want to learn more, check this out;

Household income in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If you take the time to read, you will see that families making below $25k average 0.6 workers while families making from $25k to $50k average 1.0 workers per family. And the trend continues.

Bottom line is that upper income families are working more than lower income families.
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