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Old 09-29-2011, 09:43 PM
 
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I've mentioned it before, and I'll mention it once more, but America needs an underclass. One is made from petty criminals. The other is illegal immigrants. Without them, we cease to function....or just function poorly.
When you pay the underclass to not work on some social program they will not work. (Maybe on the side)
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Old 09-29-2011, 09:46 PM
 
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I don't blame them. Why work for less than you deserve? How about not giving into these companies and showing them that you deserve more than peanuts? I know that most of us would take what we can get when times are really hard, but when another option is out there, you're gonna take the better paying job. Also, if there are visas available for immigrants then let them do the work.
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Old 09-29-2011, 09:48 PM
 
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Because it requires WAY too much paperwork for applicants who often tend to lack the education and the resources to apply or follow through on an application made by an employer. How would a potential migrant worker in, say, rural El Salvador, even get in touch with a farmer in Georgia?
To answer your question: That is actually apart of the process for employing immigrants. Those workers in El Salvador know how to get on the path to a LEGAL job in the US. You can Google it. The US employer is linked up with workers in those countries.
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Old 09-29-2011, 09:48 PM
 
Location: southern california
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why would i work in the fields when mommy will give me big fat allowances for buying my drugs and the parents of the ones selling me the drugs are in the field picking that lettuce.
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Old 09-29-2011, 09:51 PM
 
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This is NOT a new program just invented.
Use LEGAL migrant workers instead of illegal ones.

Almost every country has some type of temp work visa program.

If you are a farmer and don't know how to do it then you go and talk to your AgExtension agent.

Stop crying .."oh..it's too hard to get a temp work visa..."
BINGO! Someone who knows how it works. The U.S. Government and local governments have created a streamlined approach for agricultural employers. Can you all imagine all of the agricultural employers that are just too irresponsible to follow the paths to employing legal workers? So, they just scoop up some illegal immigrants that have already done the hard work in getting here illegally. Saves a lot of trouble for those employers, huh?
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Old 09-29-2011, 09:52 PM
 
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why would i work in the fields when mommy will give me big fat allowances for buying my drugs and the parents of the ones selling me the drugs are in the field picking that lettuce.
What the heck? What are you saying?
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Old 09-30-2011, 12:04 AM
 
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I work seasonally for some local farms. I've assisted in both planting and harvesting. It is a hard job, and definitely not for everyone. I'm in my early 50's and in very good shape, or I wouldn't be able to do it. I work for a school district and am off for three months during the summer and must find alternative employment. Summer clerical jobs have been impossible to find, even with a temp service. There are a lot of seasonal farm jobs around here, but they have a hard time getting young people to do them.

The farms I work for pay minimum wage as a rule, but I once worked at one that paid pickers $5.00 an hour, cash. All the farms I've worked for allowed harvesters to take home damaged produce, free, which is a good deal. I've brought home quite a haul. Last summer, the farm where I worked had a difficult time keeping harvesters. For example, there were a group of young women, late teens to early twenties, who complained nonstop about the heat and had to take frequent breaks in the shade. They didn't take my advice on wearing white cotton, drinking WATER (they chugged soda, sweet tea and other sugar laden drinks), and most of them also were quite overweight so they minded the heat more.

I can sympathize with migrant workers, just doing that kind of work three months out of the year. It is brutal.
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Old 09-30-2011, 12:16 AM
 
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I have always said that America needs some type of guest worker program like other countries. It's not so much the pay, but other factors that cause this labor shortage in agriculture. Even someone who genuinely wants a job and is honestly looking for one probably isn't going to move from Cleveland or Flint to rural Georgia or California's Central Valley to pick strawberries or cucumbers for 12 hours a day for about two or three months. It's a little unrealistic.

Construction and landscaping work is a little different. A lot of people want those jobs and are skilled at those jobs and have those jobs close to where they live, so illegal immigration does play more of a role in those industries.

A better solution would be to have some sort of guest worker program that allows people to come over for a few months for seasonal work.
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Old 09-30-2011, 06:19 AM
 
Location: Hinckley Ohio
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GREAT SOUND BIT,it is a shame that it is completely bogus.

Aid to dependant children and food stamps programs paid only 63 percent of the poverty level, and 74 percent of a minimum wage.
job.

Welfare gives people an incentive to avoid work.

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Why would Americans work for minimum wage when welfare pays more?
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Old 09-30-2011, 06:47 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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We have had a bumper crop of apples this year. Some are self harvested by the pick-your-own buyers but the majority by legal immigrant farm workers. These workers are generally part of families that have worked these orchards for a couple of generations. These people move up here to work the orchards from spring to fall and then return to the Caribbean for the winter. The farmers can hire locals to run the cash registers but not pick the apples. At least not for the wages offered.

I do not understand why southern farmers have not developed a similar system. They do not have to hire illegal workers when, with a bit of paperwork, so many legal immigrants are available. I also understand that most farms cannot pay high enough wages to compete with Wally World or McDonalds for semi skilled workers.

FWIW I worked on a dairy farm for one summer and it cured me of farm work forever.
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