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Old 06-25-2011, 09:47 PM
 
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Here is a clip of those at Red Hat. They have the notion that pantents slow down innovation. I agree.
The patent process is not perfect and needs to be looked at for some changes but it is a cornerstone of our capitalist society. If you take that away you can kiss innovation goodbye.
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Old 06-25-2011, 09:50 PM
 
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Freeware participants work to satisfy their own self interests.

Be objective!
LOL! Touché

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Here is a clip of those at Red Hat. They have the notion that pantents slow down innovation. I agree.

I'm of the belief that innovations and profit motives don't mix.


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If a patent goes unused for a certain period of time, maybe they should be charged a fee for the protection of the patent or allow other to create the innovation.
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Old 06-25-2011, 09:56 PM
 
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LOL! Touché

If a patent goes unused for a certain period of time, maybe they should be charged a fee for the protection of the patent or allow other to create the innovation.
The American patent maintenance fee system is designed to push patents into public domain, or should I say, force the inventor to hand the innovation over to the Corporations.

There's quite a significant graduated time-tax on patents.

Corporations can easily afford it, but individuals can't so easily.

Corporations play a waiting game for free innovation.

It operates similarly to property taxes on residences and farms.

http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/ac/...5.htm#maintain
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Old 06-25-2011, 09:57 PM
 
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If a patent goes unused for a certain period of time, maybe they should be charged a fee for the protection of the patent or allow other to create the innovation.
A patent only lasts 20 years. The issue now is you have people applying for ridiculous patents that they will never use, they apply for them in hopes someone needs the idea in the future. Then they pounce.

I often explain it as there being no need for anyone getting to the sum of 2, there is an infinite amount of ways you can arrive at the sum of two but the obvious one is adding 1+1. Someone will patent this and hope in the future someone has the need. It's these obvious and ridiculous patents that hamper innovation.
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Old 06-25-2011, 10:07 PM
 
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A patent only lasts 20 years. The issue now is you have people applying for ridiculous patents that they will never use, they apply for them in hopes someone needs the idea in the future. Then they pounce.

I often explain it as there being no need for anyone getting to the sum of 2, there is an infinite amount of ways you can arrive at the sum of two but the obvious one is adding 1+1. Someone will patent this and hope in the future someone has the need. It's these obvious and ridiculous patents that hamper innovation.
Some people just don't like having to pay for the use of other people's property.

These Libertarians are promoting free lunches for all.

Buncha Commies, that's what!

FKN Libertarians just ain't got no principles.

FKN Libertarians just ain't got no respect for individual rights.

Buncha Corporatist Commies!

"From each according to his abilities, to each according to his "needs".
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Old 06-25-2011, 10:11 PM
 
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The patent process is not perfect and needs to be looked at for some changes but it is a cornerstone of our capitalist society. If you take that away you can kiss innovation goodbye.
Innovation does not come from a profit motive. It comes from the reason of innovating, which is to make things easier and better for mankind. The bow n arrow was not invented to create a market. It's premise was to allow hunters to attack prey for feast in an effiecient manner and sometimes in a safer manner. The electronic computer was invented on a college campus to help math students with calculations. Google search was a dissertation in grad school. The ethernet was a project for a Phd.

In fact, profit motives hinder innovation. Apple and Google do not innovate. Apple just uses witty marketing to make people think its products are new when in reality, they are just changing the way a computer looks. Google does nothing new. It just provides new user experiences.
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Old 06-25-2011, 10:18 PM
 
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Innovation does not come from a profit motive. It comes from the reason of innovating, which is to make things easier and better for mankind. The bow n arrow was not invented to create a market. It's premise was to allow hunters to attack prey for feast in an effiecient manner and sometimes in a safer manner. The electronic computer was invented on a college campus to help math students with calculations. Google search was a dissertation in grad school. The ethernet was a project for a Phd.
All of which provide a distinct reward. Food and PhDs are not cash, but they are profit in a general sense. 99% of the technology that is developed is done so for profit. The internet as we know it today would not exist if it were not for the profit motive. Google would not exist if it were not for the profit motive. We wouldn't have cell phones if it weren't for the profit motive.

The internet was started as a school project. Great. If there was no profit motive, it would still be in those schools and not in our homes and on our cell phones.
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Old 06-25-2011, 10:19 PM
 
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Some people just don't like having to pay for the use of other people's property.
Yes but I'm sure you can agree the patent system needs some adjustments?

It's a great system but it's also being abused by some.
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1-Click, also called one-click or one-click buying, is the technique of allowing customers to make online purchases with a single click, with the payment information needed to complete the purchase already entered by the user previously. More particularly, it allows an online shopper using an internet marketplace to purchase an item without having to use shopping cart software. Instead of manually inputting billing and shipping information for a purchase, a user can use one-click buying to use a predefined address and credit card number to purchase one or more items.

The United States Patent and Trademark Office (USPTO) issued US 5960411 for this technique to Amazon.com in September 1999.
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Old 06-25-2011, 10:21 PM
 
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Innovation does not come from a profit motive. It comes from the reason of innovating, which is to make things easier and better for mankind.
ROFL, you believe in the tooth fairy too? You realize many people might spend years or decades developing something?
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Old 06-25-2011, 10:23 PM
 
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In fact, profit motives hinder innovation. Apple and Google do not innovate. Apple just uses witty marketing to make people think its products are new when in reality, they are just changing the way a computer looks. Google does nothing new. It just provides new user experiences.
Google does nothing new? Do you know how advanced Google's search algorithms are? Google provides a very real and tangible service that would not be possible without a profit motive.
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