Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
If gays ever try to interfere with your ability to marry or worship, feel free to get back to me. Till then, it just doesn't compare. Gay rights groups aren't trying to actively take away the rights of religious people the way religious groups are trying to take away the rights of gay people. So I'm not exactly sure what gay people are "forcing" on America. I have yet to meet a gay person that tells straight people how to live, yet I have met many straight people that try to tell gay people how to live.
You are already advocating a change in the definition of marriage. In time I do not think it unreasonable to expect to be told that I cannot say publicly from the pulpit that homosexuality is a sin.
If gays ever try to interfere with your ability to marry or worship, feel free to get back to me. Till then, it just doesn't compare. Gay rights groups aren't trying to actively take away the rights of religious people the way religious groups are trying to take away the rights of gay people. So I'm not exactly sure what gay people are "forcing" on America. I have yet to meet a gay person that tells straight people how to live, yet I have met many straight people that try to tell gay people how to live.
Exactly. I'd like somebody to name one gay organization that has spent MILLIONS of dollars to stop a religious group from practicing their faith.
You are already advocating a change in the definition of marriage. In time I do not think it unreasonable to expect to be told that I cannot say publicly from the pulpit that homosexuality is a sin.
High-five? No. I find that sad that those women are so confused.
But you're glad her wife is being deported are you not? That's what you advocate for - that what the laws you support do to gay men and women.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Calvinist
I also find it sad that some people are bigoted enough to call another person a bigot over a disagreement. I haven't called you any names, or thrown a personal attack at you. I don't hate you. I haven't mistreated you.
You have mistreated me. When you support laws that deny me equal rights, when you advocate for laws that deny me equal rights, when you vote for politicians who support laws that deny me equal rights, and when you vote for laws that deny me equal rights - laws that take 1400 civil rights away from me (while retaining them for yourself) - you sure as hell are mistreating me.
Again, if I somehow was able to pass a law where you live banning Christians from contracting civil marriages - thereby invalidating your marriage and taking away 1400 civil rights from you - you'd be mad as hell at me (and God forbid your wife was from another country because we'd ship her ass out of here). You'd call me a hateful, anti-Christian bigot. You'd be screaming at the top of your lungs about how you were being mistreated.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Calvinist
It's a sad, pathetic person that throws out the word "bigot" so quick. You would do well to learn respect for others.
If your idea of respecting someone is to treat them unequally under the law (mistreat them) and take away their civil rights simply because they have different values, then I want no part of it. You're the one who needs a lesson in respect.
You are already advocating a change in the definition of marriage. In time I do not think it unreasonable to expect to be told that I cannot say publicly from the pulpit that homosexuality is a sin.
You can say that all you want. I don't care.
Just don't interfere with my marriage, thanks.
And the definition of marriage has already changed time and time again. years ago I couldn't have married my wife for two reasons: one is she is black, and the other is she is female. Now I can't marry her in most places for one reason: she's female. What's the difference between being banned from marrying her based on race vs. based on gender?
But your glad her wife is being deported are you not? That's what you advocate for - that what the laws you support do.
Did I say that? I find it sad. If she is here illegally she needs to leave...but I won't rejoice over it (or high five anyone).
Quote:
And you have mistreated me. When you support laws that deny me equal rights,
You have exactly the same rights I do.
Quote:
when you advocate for laws that deny me equal rights,
You have exactly the same rights I do.
Quote:
when you vote for politicians who support laws that deny me equal rights,
You have exactly the same rights I do.
Quote:
and when you vote for laws that deny me equal rights
You have exactly the same rights I do.
Quote:
- laws that take 1400 civil rights away from me (while retaining them for yourself) - you sure as hell are mistreating me.
You have exactly the same rights I do.
Quote:
Again, if I somehow was able to pass a law where you live banning Christians from contracting civil marriages - thereby invalidating your marriage and taking away 1400 civil rights from you - you'd be mad as hell at me (and God forbid your wife was from another country because we'd ship her ass out of here). You'd call me a hateful, anti-Christian bigot. You'd be screaming at the top of your lungs about how you were being mistreated.
My religion is protected by the Constitution. Your relationship is not. Again...I'm sorry if that sounds harsh, but I don't have a right to marriage with someone of the same gender either. We are completely equal.
You know, I think the OP might have a point! I'm convinced! In order to prevent the possibility of adults marrying children in 40 years, we should take all homosexuals and force them to go back into the closet, and redouble the efforts to prevent them from receiving any sort of legal recognition for their relationships, and regrow a culture of hate!
I mean, it's the only way we'll be able to prevent the specter of adults marrying children some day decades from now!
Did I say that? I find it sad. If she is here illegally she needs to leave...but I won't rejoice over it (or high five anyone).
You have exactly the same rights I do.
You have exactly the same rights I do.
You have exactly the same rights I do.
You have exactly the same rights I do.
You have exactly the same rights I do.
My religion is protected by the Constitution. Your relationship is not. Again...I'm sorry if that sounds harsh, but I don't have a right to marriage with someone of the same gender either. We are completely equal.
Your (once again, very illogical) argument is like going back to the Jim Crow days and telling a black person "You have exactly the same rights I do! You are free to get on the bus too!" (Even though they have to sit back there instead of up front)
Actually the next battleground will be the churches that refuse to knuckle under and perform same-sex marriages. Their tax-exempt status will be threatened in an attempt to coerce them to surrender to the gay agenda.
Their tax-exempt status should have been taken away decades ago. Hopefully, this will happen during my lifetime.
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
