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Old 06-29-2011, 02:52 AM
 
Location: Morgantown, WV
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"After all, the chief business of the American people is business. They are profoundly concerned with producing, buying, selling, investing and prospering in the world. "
Calvin Coolidge

What's happened America? Because we definitely ain't pro-business anymore!
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Old 06-29-2011, 03:06 AM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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michigan has no corporate income tax and they have the highest un-employment rate in the US...so not always a direct correlation

Right.

It's actually worse than that.

They tax gross receipts.

In Case You Are Wondering Why There Are No Jobs In Michigan | motorcitytimes.com

Michigan Corporate Income Tax Rates - 2011


Didn't earn a profit?

Tough crap! Pay up!
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Old 06-29-2011, 03:23 AM
 
Location: somewhere in the woods
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Strikes me as the fastest way to create jobs. Millions of jobs overnight.

Thoughts?


better yet, how about 0% corporate and 0% income tax. that way not only are millions employed, but people have more to spend.

let goverment make do with bonds, duties and tariffs.

small goverment is always better goverment.
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Old 06-29-2011, 04:34 AM
 
Location: Chicago, IL SouthWest Suburbs
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Strikes me as the fastest way to create jobs. Millions of jobs overnight.

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The fat cats will just use it to leverage their own bonus and salary total compensation
net result no jobs
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Old 06-29-2011, 08:55 AM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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"Corporate" tax is double taxation in the first place. Those corporations are owned by stockholders, who already pay income tax (on dividends) or capital gains taxes on monies made on stock sales. Our high corporate income tax just forces companies to use various tax shelters or move off shore.
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Old 06-29-2011, 09:06 AM
 
Location: Chicago, IL SouthWest Suburbs
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"Corporate" tax is double taxation in the first place. Those corporations are owned by stockholders, who already pay income tax (on dividends) or capital gains taxes on monies made on stock sales. Our high corporate income tax just forces companies to use various tax shelters or move off shore.
Which in every company in american they have accountants to take advantage of every loop hole known to mankind.

In addition I will give an example of the bidding wars going on between the states for company hq just like where i reside in Illinois example sears

what gets to me is where in the heck is my break!
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Old 06-29-2011, 09:08 AM
 
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The fat cats will just use it to leverage their own bonus and salary total compensation
net result no jobs
So if corporations aren't going to create jobs in the future, who is?

Are we doomed in America?
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Old 06-29-2011, 09:10 AM
 
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Which in every company in american they have accountants to take advantage of every loop hole known to mankind.

In addition I will give an example of the bidding wars going on between the states for company hq just like where i reside in Illinois example sears

what gets to me is where in the heck is my break!
Is it not their right to avoid double taxation for their stockholders?

What kind of break do you have in mind? Lower taxes? Free stuff? Please explain the break you are seeking out.
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Old 06-29-2011, 09:12 AM
 
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Strikes me as the fastest way to create jobs. Millions of jobs overnight.

Thoughts?
Its definitely not the fastest way to create jobs. The fastest way would be to get a few million people, and give them shovels. Tell half to dig holes, and tell the other half to come along behind them and fill in the holes.

Also, not the fairest way to create jobs; if we tax individuals, then we should tax corporations as well. Do away with corporate tax, then you must also do away with personal tax. Corporate entities enjoy many individual liberties, like donating to politicians, so therefore they should share in the individual responsibility of paying taxes. 0% taxes would give corporations an upper hand in the political process over individuals who were paying 25-35% tax rates.

I will say that the jobs it did help create would be more productive than other job creation methods.
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Old 06-29-2011, 09:15 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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So corporations have shipped jobs overseas because of America's poor infrastructure, high crime rate, and poor education. Interesting. I haven't heard that one before.
I'm sure you haven't, or at least haven't given other possibilities a thought. High effective corporate taxes have not prevented jobs being shipped overseas, especially China. The key there is cheap labor. The people who run these corporations are looking for quick bucks, not necessarily quality. A part of the problem is that these corporations are primarily run by money managers, not necessarily owners of the business who would make a few sacrifices for themselves so that their "baby" benefits.

America cannot make up for the cost of labor unless it becomes a third world country with people earning only a fraction of what they do right now. What it could do is instill a sense of quality, not quantity, being better, a look at Germans and how their manufacturing is thriving despite of considerably higher corporate taxes compared to (even) the neighbors.

Taxes are merely an excuse, not a solution. An effective solution to a problem must consider a bit more than common perceptions.
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