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Old 06-29-2011, 08:11 PM
 
Location: Near Manito
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Originally Posted by JazzyTallGuy View Post
You can say almost anything that you want.

The question is are you prepared to deal with the consequences of what you say.
When you're not, and you're gay, you can scream harrassment.

Funny how that works...

 
Old 06-29-2011, 08:12 PM
 
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I guess when he signed up to be a member of NASCAR he gave up his right to free speech, he should have known better to speak his mind.
Free Speech does not protect you from private entities. There is no protection of speech when it comes to businesses, or employers, or the general public. The 1st Amendment protects speech from being limited by Congress (and later, through case law, state governments).
 
Old 06-29-2011, 08:15 PM
 
Location: Metro-Detroit area
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Another straight guy... 06-29-2011 09:49 PM You sure do like the gay threads don't you? Hmmmm......


If you are so cowardly that you must send silly messages through a rep point, please stop sending them to me, whether gay or straight, it is quite sissyish !!
 
Old 06-29-2011, 08:33 PM
 
Location: California
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Free Speech does not protect you from private entities. There is no protection of speech when it comes to businesses, or employers, or the general public. The 1st Amendment protects speech from being limited by Congress (and later, through case law, state governments).
He signed a contract, he broke it and he paid the price, when he signed the contract he gave up his right to free speech as long as he wanted to stay employed by the race team. I don't find anything wrong with it being he signed up knowing what he had done which I'm sure he did.

NASCAR does not want bad publicity and that’s why all teams are under a strict contract on behavior on and off the track.
 
Old 06-29-2011, 08:40 PM
 
Location: #
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Of course he would not have been fired and honestly it'll be entertaining for anyone to suggest he would.
It's even more entertaining to suggest that homosexuals would make anti-heterosexual remarks. I mean, really, when's the last time that happened?

"Hey Joe, don't those two **** you off, they way they hold hands. What with their penises and vaginas."

"I know, right? Wouldn't life be so much better if heteros went away?:
 
Old 06-29-2011, 08:44 PM
 
Location: California
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It's even more entertaining to suggest that homosexuals would make anti-heterosexual remarks. I mean, really, when's the last time that happened?:
Yeah right I'm sure Gay's never talk or make fun about others
 
Old 06-29-2011, 08:59 PM
 
Location: Surprise, Az
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Nope. My bias is toward freedom of speech, and against the thought/speech police.

If he had sent his comments in a private email and they were discovered by his employer, would you still support firing him?
Twitter and Facebook are not private unless you set them up as private.
 
Old 06-29-2011, 09:06 PM
 
Location: #
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Yeah right I'm sure Gay's never talk or make fun about others
Oh, c'mon, I'm naive. Everyone makes fun of everyone. I guess in my opinion, a gay person who had disparaging things to say about heterosexuals would have the sense to not Tweet their sentiments.

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Twitter and Facebook are not private unless you set them up as private.
And if you think they are private even after setting them to private, you are a fool.
 
Old 06-29-2011, 09:14 PM
 
Location: Riverside
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Red Bull crewman fired for homophobic tweets | NASCAR News Now - SceneDaily.com

Yes, he worked for a private company and they had a right to fire him, but if he had been a gay guy making anti-heterosexual comments, do you think he would have been fired? I seriously doubt it.
He was in SF, and a gay bumper sticker set him off??? Guess it's a good thing he missed the Halloween Parade!

 
Old 06-29-2011, 09:19 PM
 
Location: Ayrsley
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Of course he would not have been fired and honestly it'll be entertaining for anyone to suggest he would.
That has nothing to do with it. Per the article posted in the OP: "NASCAR’s rulebook includes a short Code of Conduct paragraph, with Rule 7-5 saying: “A NASCAR Member shall not make or cause to be made a public statement and/or communication that criticizes, ridicules, or otherwise disparages another person based upon that person’s race, color, creed, national origin, gender, sexual orientation, marital status, religion, age, or handicapping condition.”"

Whether one agrees with it or not - its part of their corporate policy that he agreed to when he took the job. He violated company policy - end of story.
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