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Originally Posted by MPowering1 So if a woman decides to keep her baby it's a life, but if she decides to have an abortion, it wasn't a life?
Whether you get it or not, there IS hypocrisy around this. You can't claim the fetus is not life in one instance and proclaim it is in another.
It's like when attorneys would blame women for being raped because of what they were wearing, yet a man would be arrested and charged if he decided to pay an undercover cop who approached him wearing the same type of attire.
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Originally Posted by Clintone
That's not hypocrisy. You're twisting things. You're trying to make the person you're talking about, the woman considering an abortion, look as dumb as possible, and it's misleading.
Only you would interpret it this way.
It's not the woman considering an abortion who looks dumb.
Well, that certainly is a slap in the face to every loving adoptive parent out there.
Okay, if it's ugly it'll probably result in the child having a less than ideal life. Better? If it's pretty, it could very well have a wonderful life due to parents who adopt it instantly...which would result in the ugly children having to wait longer for parents.
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How about people play God and take real control over life by using birth control when they don't want to get pregnant?
THAT is the escape.
That would be ideal, yes, but what about if contraception fails or you have a fetus with major abnormalities?
It's not the woman considering an abortion who looks dumb.
Some people might be personifying the fetus too much in some cases and not enough in others, but why only get annoyed at the people who personify it too little? It's not fair to get mad at them without getting annoyed at the people who personify it too much to the point where they believe any predecessor of an adult human has the same value as that adult human.
From what I understand, at 8 weeks pregnancy, the fetus is about half an inch long. This will not be a very complicated organism.
So only liberals have abortions? Yeah right. This reeks of troll banter. Lets see. How many of those unwanted children are you and your fanatical pro life people willing to take? Five? Ten? What zero? Thought so. What about those who are non believers? Are we supposed to change our life to suit your one size must fit all fanaticism? What if Isis took over the world and we were all forced into sharia law? Would you like that? To be forced into a lifestyle you would not want because they believe that their way is the only way? Not so much fun when the shoe is on the other foot. Worry about your own life. Not what others choose to do with theirs.
Since a "mother?" has the "choice" of killing her baby, or not. then, a murderer should have the "choice" of killing his victim, also with the approval of that same kind of people! Obviously, these fools, who like to PRETEND a fetus is NOT a live baby, have never once SEEN the millions of tiny little live "fetuses", who are born prematurely, and kept alive in the neo-natal nurseries, for their parents and their futures. I wonder why THEIR mothers didn't abort these killers? We are not even brutal enough to kill fetal PUPPIES, in this country, yet we murder fetal HUMANS!! See what happens in a lawsuit if anyone EVER tries to abort a farmer's valuable calf fetus!! Course, THAT'S a valuable CALF! Humans are obviously worthless and dispensable, just like Hitler's murdering of the millions of Jews!
Age of viability I think would play in the legal decision to charge for murder of an unborn fetus. Right now the earliest limit is calculated at 22 weeks.
Fine. So, it is OK for YOU to kill your baby, but not for me to kill it. I contend it should be illegal for either of us to kill it. If the baby is alive before and after it is born, why are mother's procecuted for killing the baby after birth but not before. Are they MORE alive after birth?
Charles Sands
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It is physically attached to the mother, giving her governance of it. You can't remove / kill the fetus because it is not attached to you.
Babies gain individual personhood when they take their first breath on their own, outside the womb.
It is physically attached to the mother, giving her governance of it. You can't remove / kill the fetus because it is not attached to you.
Babies gain individual personhood when they take their first breath on their own, outside the womb.
As to your first statement, then why isn't someone charged with also murdering, oh, her kidneys and liver and etc? If the fetus isn't a person, how can you murder it and not all of those other things "physically attached to the mother"?
And as to your 2nd statement, that's your definition, and is not shared by a large number of folks. Your saying it is so does not make it so.
I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.....
why is death of pregnant woman two deaths but abortion not a death? (illegal, support)
Legislation is messy, but legislation via court is an abomination. The court has created a right, and has an interest in defending it's new creation. As such, abortion is very messy legally. If Roe v Wade and Doe v Bolton were overturned by a conservative Supreme Court, states would decide as they did for most of our history.
Fine. So, it is OK for YOU to kill your baby, but not for me to kill it. I contend it should be illegal for either of us to kill it. If the baby is alive before and after it is born, why are mother's procecuted for killing the baby after birth but not before. Are they MORE alive after birth?
Charles Sands
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Abortions are legal. Unless you're carrying the fetus in your body, you have not argument.
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If it's pretty, it could very well have a wonderful life due to parents who adopt it instantly...which would result in the ugly children having to wait longer for parents.
