Why can't Democrats/liberals cooperate and balance the budget (Clinton, Reid, how much)
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Congress already approved spending. Raising the debt ceiling is just a vote to provide the money that was already authorized.
Ever since there was a law to raise the debt ceiling it was a clean bill, either vote to raise it or not. What the current Republicans are trying to do is link raising the debt ceiling with cutting the expenditures that they already voted for in the budget.
If they didn't want spending, they shouldn't have voted for those programs in the first place. It has nothing to do with the debt ceiling.
Moreover, cutting spending in the middle of huge recession is foolhardy. Cutting spending in a recession caused by lack of spending will make unemployment worse and make the fiscal outlook worse.
Who voted for what in what budget? I think that you may well not know that we have been without a budget for nearly 2 whole years. You don't seem to know that Harry Reid said he doesn't see any need for a budget since they are getting along famously with the wide open credit card kind of spending. He hasn't read an important part of the Constitution since he doesn't think a budget is necessary. He doesn't seem to understand what a budget is and you don't sound like you know either.
The authorization you talk about has nothing at all to do with budgeting and has just been an extension of the credit card for the administration to spend from.
BTW can you show me how the nearly $1 trillion stimulus did any stimulating? Obama and his string pullers said that they had to have that abortion of a law in order to keep unemployment below 8% and it hasn't been very close to that since they rushed it to passage. Do you remember how many of the 5 days he promised us for us to look at it he allowed before signing it? I am getting very tired of you people talking about government spending being so necessary to "spend" our way out of recession.
So let me get this straight, the people who created the mess, rather than reducing their out of control spending, want even more money from us to fix their problem?
No need for ANY tax increases on ANYONE. It's time to seriously cut the budget and stop supporting the half of the country that doesn't work or pay taxes.
Who are the people who created this mess?
Who do you blame for this out of control spending?
Cutting the budget? what sacrifices are you prepared to make?
And if half the country doesnt work or pay taxes then stick a fork in it as there's nothing any one can do,its over.
Who are the people who created this mess?
Who do you blame for this out of control spending?
Cutting the budget? what sacrifices are you prepared to make?
And if half the country doesnt work or pay taxes then stick a fork in it as there's nothing any one can do,its over.
I think you need to open your eyes and finally understand that about 50% of the people do not pay income taxes, at all and, in fact, too many of them get paid back for money they didn't pay in.
Cutting the budge? What budget? The last budget our Congress passed was in 2009 and the Dems don't plan to pass one in September this year. Do have any idea what a budget is?
The Congress, both Dems and GOP, created this mess and they are the ones who have to get us out of it. The supposedly great health care bill will increase that deficit so much that we can't get out of the present situation without complete repeal and a complete new law.
As for the half that pays no taxes that can be taken care of by throwing away the income tax and inserting a consumption tax, as the Fair Tax is. Do you know anything about that tax?
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Your using logic again...liberalism is a mental disorder.
As conservatism is a load of self-Righteous delusion, exemplified by one of their heroes, who despite claiming government was the problem did nothing to shrink it during his tenure. Or how about the little TEA Party darling Bachmann telling the Secretary of Agriculture "Your efforts to stabilize prices through direct government purchasing of pork and dairy products are very much welcomed by the producers in Minnesota, and I would encourage you to take any additional steps necessary to prevent further deterioration of these critical industries" And then we could always talk about the delusion of occupying a higher moral ground conservatives are prone to claiming.
This is such an old, and inaccurate argument, as if no one in the republican party was complaining about spending until 0bama came along. Here is just one republican who blasted Bush for out of control spending, way back in 2003.
"The numbers are astonishing," McCain said on "Fox News Sunday." "Congress is now spending money like a drunken sailor"
I think you need to open your eyes and finally understand that about 50% of the people do not pay income taxes, at all and, in fact, too many of them get paid back for money they didn't pay in.
Cutting the budge? What budget? The last budget our Congress passed was in 2009 and the Dems don't plan to pass one in September this year. Do have any idea what a budget is?
The Congress, both Dems and GOP, created this mess and they are the ones who have to get us out of it. The supposedly great health care bill will increase that deficit so much that we can't get out of the present situation without complete repeal and a complete new law.
As for the half that pays no taxes that can be taken care of by throwing away the income tax and inserting a consumption tax, as the Fair Tax is. Do you know anything about that tax?
The republican voters have been refusing to reelect many of the people responsible for the debt, deficit and runaway spending, we need more democrats to join us by voting out big government, debt spending dems, but they are to partisan to do so.
And "no one" wants to cut Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, tax cuts for the middle class, etc. etc.
I also don't see the problem with "negotiating." And that includes Republicans. We also don't have the money to give tax breaks to the wealthy in the country. We don't have money to subsidize oil companies. EVERYONE has to pay more taxes.
Who says no one wants to cut entitlement spending? You must have your head in the sand.
Hilarious - now the Dems want negotiating? We'll play the same negotiating game they played with regards to Obamacare.
Who says no one wants to cut entitlement spending? You must have your head in the sand.
Hilarious - now the Dems want negotiating? We'll play the same negotiating game they played with regards to Obamacare.
Actually I don't think many of these left leaners really understand how Obamacare was written and then rammed through Congress. I think most of them believe that the whole thing was done as it is supposed to be done although they completely avoided the committee process, then failed to debate on the floor of both houses, and then the President failed to wait 5 days with that thing on the internet as he had promised. I can handle this part since I knew that his campaign promise about when he would sign bills and the fine tooth comb he would use on each of them were nothing but campaign promises. However, the Congressional rules that were avoided just don't sit too well with me.
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