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Old 07-01-2011, 01:18 PM
 
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Google did... guess who won? Can't be privatized huh? Yeah... that's what they said...
If you think Google is an actual substitute for a good library... well no wonder the internet if filled with idiots.
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Old 07-01-2011, 01:27 PM
 
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Without real numbers I am going to have to generalize, but here is the crux of it. You have 80,000 people in a city and if the tax is coming from sales taxes and property taxes the amount paid by each individual paying for the library is very small. However, unless all 80,000 of its residents are all visiting the library in equal amounts of time, the ones that do visit the library will end up paying far more than they would otherwise, and paying $10 to visit the library would probably kill the local library.
I dont at all think that would be the case. Locally here we find our library doing things extra like, offering video conferencing or meeting rooms. Liraries could offer all sorts of benefits without making the costs so high. Your figure, even if accurate would exclude the fact that libraries would receive donations in the same manner lots of fire departments do currently, or our local Boys & Girls club, who is run completely with 100% donated funds, (excluding a $5 a year per child fee). We have the local YMCA who is building on a multi million dollar addition, again, through completely donated funds. People actually volunteer to pay a tax to fund them, so why would you automatically assume that this would stop simply because you arent being "forced" to through a governmental tax system?

And before you think I'm against libraries, I'm obviously not, being a big fan of books. My first internet company I actually started out of a local library, before I could afford a computer..

I could see the need for taxes to help those in poorer regions, which is why I dont oppose a library tax, but this is one of those taxes I'd much rather see on a state level because a local one in poverty arears simply end up with poor libraries, (which is what we have), and richer areas end up with museums..
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Old 07-01-2011, 01:33 PM
 
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I dont at all think that would be the case. Locally here we find our library doing things extra like, offering video conferencing or meeting rooms. Liraries could offer all sorts of benefits without making the costs so high. Your figure, even if accurate would exclude the fact that libraries would receive donations in the same manner lots of fire departments do currently, or our local Boys & Girls club, who is run completely with 100% donated funds, (excluding a $5 a year per child fee). We have the local YMCA who is building on a multi million dollar addition, again, through completely donated funds. People actually volunteer to pay a tax to fund them, so why would you automatically assume that this would stop simply because you arent being "forced" to through a governmental tax system?

And before you think I'm against libraries, I'm obviously not, being a big fan of books. My first internet company I actually started out of a local library, before I could afford a computer..
There is no guarantee that donations would pay. A lot of libraries do receive donations and that is a wonderful thing, but there is no guarantee.
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Old 07-01-2011, 01:39 PM
 
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There is no guarantee that donations would pay. A lot of libraries do receive donations and that is a wonderful thing, but there is no guarantee.
There is also no guarantee that tax revenues would continue to flow into the coffers either.. Look at the current recession for one such example. Also, library referendums are normally for a few years, and there again, is no guarantee they will get renewed. And if they dont get renewed, then libraries are stuck with millions upon millions in debt they took on to finance their new libraries.

You want a guarantee in life.. Buy your own books
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Old 07-01-2011, 01:48 PM
 
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There is also no guarantee that tax revenues would continue to flow into the coffers either.. Look at the current recession for one such example. Also, library referendums are normally for a few years, and there again, is no guarantee they will get renewed. And if they dont get renewed, then libraries are stuck with millions upon millions in debt they took on to finance their new libraries.

You want a guarantee in life.. Buy your own books
We just have a difference of opinion on the governments role. I believe the govt., through tax dollars, should fund libraries, You don't. Your belief is consistant with Libertarian ideology, but I am not a libertarian or an ideologue.

I believe it is cheaper for 10 people to get together and buy one book and then share it than 10 people buying the same book and not sharing.
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Old 07-01-2011, 01:52 PM
 
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We just have a difference of opinion on the governments role. I believe the govt., through tax dollars, should fund libraries, You don't. Your belief is consistant with Libertarian ideology, but I am not a libertarian or an ideologue.

I believe it is cheaper for 10 people to get together and buy one book and then share it than 10 people buying the same book and not sharing.
How about if one person buys many books and charges a small fee for others to read them?
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Old 07-01-2011, 01:52 PM
 
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We just have a difference of opinion on the governments role. I believe the govt., through tax dollars, should fund libraries, You don't. Your belief is consistant with Libertarian ideology, but I am not a libertarian or an ideologue.

I believe it is cheaper for 10 people to get together and buy one book and then share it than 10 people buying the same book and not sharing.
Actually libraries pay A LOT more for a book, than I do. Typical cost on a library buying $1,000 retail price of books, $800, my cost $400. Libraries are charged more because its taxpayer money funding the purchase.
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Old 07-01-2011, 01:54 PM
 
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Actually libraries pay A LOT more for a book, than I do. Typical cost on a library buying $1,000 retail price of books, $800, my cost $400. Libraries are charged more because its taxpayer money funding the purchase.
Tada!!
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Old 07-01-2011, 01:54 PM
 
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How about if one person buys many books and charges a small fee for others to read them?
Which actually is slowly coming about. Even book publishers are starting plans to lease books to the consumer.
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Old 07-01-2011, 02:00 PM
 
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How about if one person buys many books and charges a small fee for others to read them?
Go ahead. It sounds like a good business. There is no one keeping you from doing that. You can be the blockbuster of books. Keep in mind that today's libraries are not just about books they are also about internet access for those who do not have it. Children't story telling etc. etc. and libraries are wildly popular.
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