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Look, believe what you want. And talk all this bullsh*t about maps that your heart desires. I'm simply talking about an invasion of Iran by our troops, and what a disaster it would be. You obviously think you're superman because you live in a nation that drops three quarters of a trillion dollars on defense....as if that means anything more than the fact that we're idiots for spending so much money on useless crap.
If you wackjobs wanna go along with some stupid notion that a war in Iran would be successful, then be my guest. Personally, i have no intentions of dying in that place, but you're welcome to go over there and poke a stick at that rattlesnake all you want. They have bodybags in your size, i'm sure. Give'em your size before you embark cuz you aint coming back. See ya.
Yes, war with Iran will be catastrophic. It is stupid, it is a waste. Sadly it is a reality that us little people have no say.
Iran and China are in negotiations to exchange Chinese crap for Oil. Which would bring legitimacy to an Iranian Oil bourse.
Which by the way is why we went into Iraq, and are now involved in bombing Libya.
There will be war. It will be on the Global bankers and Warlords time.
Some say that September of this yr. is the optimum time.
Obama up for re-election would insure that we would be part of the escalation when Israel (the main target of Iran's venom) would be the trigger.
Knowing Obama loves the power more than principle. Ensuring a support Israel at all costs in order to be the man for 4 more yrs.
Nukes, Trading Oil in Iranian currency, build up of arms with Hamas, and Hesbollah, Syria needing some National focus away from it's oppressions.
America nearing the Greatest Depression.
The trend is leaning towards WWIII
Watch Russia. They are ready to pay us back for all the "We are the only world power B.S." that we rubbed in over the last couple decades.
Yes, war with Iran will be catastrophic. It is stupid, it is a waste. Sadly it is a reality that us little people have no say.
Iran and China are in negotiations to exchange Chinese crap for Oil. Which would bring legitimacy to an Iranian Oil bourse.
Which by the way is why we went into Iraq, and are now involved in bombing Libya.
There will be war. It will be on the Global bankers and Warlords time.
Some say that September of this yr. is the optimum time.
Obama up for re-election would insure that we would be part of the escalation when Israel (the main target of Iran's venom) would be the trigger.
Knowing Obama loves the power more than principle. Ensuring a support Israel at all costs in order to be the man for 4 more yrs.
Nukes, Trading Oil in Iranian currency, build up of arms with Hamas, and Hesbollah, Syria needing some National focus away from it's oppressions.
America nearing the Greatest Depression.
The trend is leaning towards WWIII
Watch Russia. They are ready to pay us back for all the "We are the only world power B.S." that we rubbed in over the last couple decades.
Really...attack Iran? Again, we couldn't subdue Iraq and they have only a third of Iran's population with far easier terrain to fight in.
The Iranians WILL NOT all of a sudden jump to our side to help us topple the mullahs. That's a pipe dream. And if you think we'll subdue that nation without putting troops on the ground, you're nuts. It can't be done with air power.
The Iranians will take to the underground by the millions. In the cities and in the mountains, the whole damn country would be a graveyard for U.S. troops. Worse, any kind of exit strategy that allows us to leave the place without our tails between our legs would be impossible. Furthermore, they'd attract Muslim "freedom fighters" from all over the Arab world and many more from other parts of the world...like Afghanistan, Pakistan, and probably Indonesia.
Seriously dude...let sleeping dogs lie. You don't know what you're talking about.
No armchair warrior - it is YOU who has no clue.
The goal is to eradicate the nation's nuclear weapons program, wipe out the regime, and hopefully as well, a large part of its military and ballistic missile capability. Applying a significant bombing campaign plus special forces on the ground lacing bombs and overtaking security over various sites, the US will endure minimal casualties. Iran has no navy or air force to speak of, and its anti-aircraft system is extremely weak.
The only issues the US has is that they may not know every hidden nuke weapons site to bomb, and that many of the known sites were intentionally placed within dense residential communities, which will lead to significant civilian casualties. The US would still legally be allowed to bomb them, as their placement within civilian areas is a Geneva Conventions violation.
Again, with mostly Air force and naval assets, modest special forces application, this is a 4-5 week task, at most.
You're confused. You're conflating military expenditures with some silly notion that it has ANYTHING to do with winning a war in Iran? LOL..yea, ok. How much did the North Vietnamese spend on it's military?
I'm not saying that we wouldn't win on the normal military objectives in the beginning. Hell, that's the easy part. Now you've gotta hold the territory and be able to move through it safely. And that's where it'll all start to unravel.
You wanna put troops on Iranian ground and expect them to win? In a nation of 75 million people? Hehe...ok. Again, they'll take to the underground by the millions. You think the IED's in Iraq were bad? The Iranians will make that look like a day at an amusement park. Furthermore, they'll head to the mountains in droves, and we'll be forced to try and root them out. It'll be a quagmire of epic proportions. Where we were losing about a hundred troops a month in Iraq at it's height, you can definitely triple or even quadruple that number in Iran.
Some of you must be smoking some good stuff because you're talking gibberish. There is ZERO will among Pentagon senior staff to invade Iran and they told the last administration that there were no good options in such a war. You'd think that any fool can surmise as much, but i guess not. There is a such thing as "limits of power."
Nice nonsensical strawman. How about listing the purpose/objective WHY the US would need to place large numbers of troops - or any, for that matter - on the ground in iran...
The mission objective is to eliminate the nuclear weapons program and kill as many of the leadership as possible - doable with a massive bombing campaign plus occasional and deliberate placement of special ops on the ground. For instance, if the US were to bomb the parliament and capital buildings heavily, that would waste much of the regime right there. Iran has no serious aerial warning system, so the US could simply wait until the leadership was meeting - and obliterate it.
Those who call for war as the first option more than likely have never experienced war. You have to decide how many American lives are you willing to lay down to get a bad leader out of power? 10,000, 20,000, 100,000… Iran will never be pro-American no matter who’s in charge. So if you kill their leaders and turn their buildings to dust their children will rise from the ashes to take revenge on yours. And for those of you that will say let’s nuke all of them and turn the Middle East to glass. Remember one thing. They’re more of them than you.
And by the way more Americans were killed with Soviet/Russian weapons then anything designed or produced in the Middle East.
TEHRAN—Iran's elite military unit, the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps, has transferred lethal new munitions to its allies in Iraq and Afghanistan in recent months, according to senior U.S. officials, in a bid to accelerate the U.S. withdrawals from these countries.
The Revolutionary Guard has smuggled rocket-assisted exploding projectiles to its militia allies in Iraq, weapons that have already resulted in the deaths of American troops, defense officials said. They said Iranians have also given long-range rockets to the Taliban in Afghanistan, increasing the insurgents' ability to hit U.S. and other coalition positions from a safer distance."
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At this point, outside of landing a plane on US soil and shooting Americans directly, I cannot fathom what it is going to take for the US to attack and destroy the current criminal fascist dictatorship of thugs and murderers that is iran's government and war machine.
No nation has killed more Americans and not been in a direct war with the US - EVER.
Iran is a cancer, and its regime MUST be destroyed - a look at its history over the past few years is an eye-opener. It has and is continuing to do the following, with little or no response from the US government:
- killing Americans in afghanistan
- killing americans in iraq
- killing lebanese pols and journalists
- taking british navymen hostage and parading them in violation of treaties
- fomenting wars in 4 other nations
- ensuring persistent conflict in the middle east and preventing a solution to the arab-israeli conflict
- helping the syrian terrorist regime murder its own citizens to stay in power
- running multiple terrorist groups across the middle east, turning nations into war zones and client states
- and the best of all, ignoring FOUR sets of UNSC rulings and refusing inspections as it develops nuclear weapons, including missiles with nuclear payload capability
You don’t hit a hornet’s nest with a stick and expect not to get stung. Speed, precision & force only creates shock and aw not victories. See what happened in Afghanistan when we didn’t have enough troops on the ground to finish the job.
Luckily you’ll never be on the joint chiefs or matter of fact have any job that requires forethought & decision making.
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Originally Posted by sterpetron
Nice nonsensical strawman. How about listing the purpose/objective WHY the US would need to place large numbers of troops - or any, for that matter - on the ground in iran...
The mission objective is to eliminate the nuclear weapons program and kill as many of the leadership as possible - doable with a massive bombing campaign plus occasional and deliberate placement of special ops on the ground. For instance, if the US were to bomb the parliament and capital buildings heavily, that would waste much of the regime right there. Iran has no serious aerial warning system, so the US could simply wait until the leadership was meeting - and obliterate it.
Those who call for war as the first option more than likely have never experienced war.
First wrong assumption.
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Iran will never be pro-American no matter who’s in charge.
Second wrong assumption.
If you knew ANYTHING about iran, its people are rather pro-american, as least most of the younger, more urbanized/educated people. It is the regime that uses the Great Satan nonsense to stir up the mentally ill death-cult fanatics, who are themselves beginning to turn on the regime given the decreasing subsidies and excessive inflation levels:
So if you kill their leaders and turn their buildings to dust their children will rise from the ashes to take revenge on yours.
You obviously have no clue what the iranians think of their leadership.
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