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Old 07-03-2011, 11:59 AM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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The health care reform act did not contain anything to address increasing access to health care or the supply of physicians to provide care for 50 million more 'insured' patients. So all these people with a 2000+ page stack of papers saying they suddenly have health care - all they'll have in the end is a 2000+ page stack of paper.

I suppose in the winter you could crinkle up the pages and stuff em in your clothes to stay warm or burn 'em. Maybe use them as bandages? Roll up a bunch of them and tie them around broken limbs as splints? How about toilet paper?
Oh, too funny, not!

The fact that there is no provision in the health care law to increase the supply of physicians does not mean that we shouldn't try to give people more access to health care.

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Its the insurance mandate.

To know why the healthcare prices have increased is the only way to know why the mandate should work for that.

I've posted this many times, and I know you've read it, but I'll post it again for everyone else.

In 1986, Reagan signed into law a mandate that all ER's in the country must take anyone who comes through their door, regardless of their ability to pay.

After the law was passed, those who couldn't pay went to ER's and received treatment for flu, broken arms, stitches, etc. But how does the ER and hospital make up for the mandate and the loss of pay, supplies, income for the free treatment? They decided to start charging more to those who have insurance, or conducting excess procedures to make more money to make up the difference. This caused insurance rates to increase for everyone who had insurance, and caused some to drop off the health insurance roles.

This made more people go to the ER for more free treatment, which caused more increases in the cost for the insured, which caused more people to drop off the role, which caused more people to go to the ER for free treatment....

And you see how the trend continues.

Now with a mandate, EVERYONE in the country will have insurance. That should stop hospitals from doing needless procedures and to stop the cycle that Reagan started.

You may not like "obamacare", but it is simply paying for a Republican Presidents socialist program from 1986.
The 1986 law is not quite what is stated above. Basically, it says an ER may not turn away a patient with a life-threatening emergency.

ERs may still charge for care, and believe me, if they don't get it, they will send you letters (the first one always marked "second notice") threatening to ruin your credit rating if you don't pay up. It happened to us, even though it turned out it was the ER that owed US money, not the other way around.
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Old 07-03-2011, 12:00 PM
 
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ACEP is one of the groups that are blatantly lobbying for tort reform, so I don't take what they say seriously. Just because it's a bunch of doctors doesn't mean they don't have a purely political agenda.
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Old 07-03-2011, 12:08 PM
 
Location: Maryland about 20 miles NW of DC
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And what is going to make that regular family doctor accept medicaid when they don't do it today ?

A simple reform that is used in the UK or Japan, if a doctor or other healthcare professional refuses to see a Medicare, Medicaid or Tri-Care patient his/her license to practice medicine will be suspended or invalidated. A medical license is a privelege not a right. If he tries to practice medicine with a license that is suspended or invalidated then he can be subject to criminal or civil penalities--- a crime called practicing medicine without a valid medical license. A very simple reform and cost effective too.

Not seeing Medicare or Medicaid patients is also a problem for people with private health insurance. I have an eye doctor who won't see patients with policies from United Healthcare (I wonder why?), another won't accept policies for HMO plans because it is a hassle to deal with out of network paperwork.
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Old 07-03-2011, 12:37 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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A simple reform that is used in the UK or Japan, if a doctor or other healthcare professional refuses to see a Medicare, Medicaid or Tri-Care patient his/her license to practice medicine will be suspended or invalidated. A medical license is a privelege not a right. If he tries to practice medicine with a license that is suspended or invalidated then he can be subject to criminal or civil penalities--- a crime called practicing medicine without a valid medical license. A very simple reform and cost effective too.

Not seeing Medicare or Medicaid patients is also a problem for people with private health insurance. I have an eye doctor who won't see patients with policies from United Healthcare (I wonder why?), another won't accept policies for HMO plans because it is a hassle to deal with out of network paperwork.
Well that is not how it works today or under Obamacare.
There is no mandate to take on medicaid/medicare patients.
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Old 07-03-2011, 01:17 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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A simple reform that is used in the UK or Japan, if a doctor or other healthcare professional refuses to see a Medicare, Medicaid or Tri-Care patient his/her license to practice medicine will be suspended or invalidated. A medical license is a privelege not a right. If he tries to practice medicine with a license that is suspended or invalidated then he can be subject to criminal or civil penalities--- a crime called practicing medicine without a valid medical license. A very simple reform and cost effective too.

Not seeing Medicare or Medicaid patients is also a problem for people with private health insurance. I have an eye doctor who won't see patients with policies from United Healthcare (I wonder why?), another won't accept policies for HMO plans because it is a hassle to deal with out of network paperwork.

Doctors are quitting the practice now. Many are going and getting their veterinary licenses and doing very well.
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Old 07-03-2011, 01:50 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Doctors are quitting the practice now. Many are going and getting their veterinary licenses and doing very well.
Please provide a link about THAT!
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Old 07-03-2011, 05:34 PM
 
Location: Maryland about 20 miles NW of DC
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Well that is not how it works today or under Obamacare.
There is no mandate to take on medicaid/medicare patients.

To paraphrase a great Liberal Robert F. Kennedy ," I dream of things that never were and say "Why, Not!" In this case I don't have to dream it just buy a plane ticket to Tokyo or London to see it with my own eyes. Why not make this a piece of the next reform cycle.
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Old 07-04-2011, 08:18 AM
 
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Yes, it will. Because then people won't have to go to the ER for the flu, they can go to a regular family doctor.
They can go now. Most doctors will accept payment for an office visit with cash, you don't need to have insurance. Plus there are already many walk-in clinics tht will accept cash.

The problem is the Medicaid types are not accustomed to paying anything. They will go where they aren't expected to pay even a co-pay.

The real problem is that there is no way to continue paying for the completely free and very abused health care of so many. And more keep joining the program because it's too easy.
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Old 07-04-2011, 08:19 AM
 
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Doctors are quitting the practice now. Many are going and getting their veterinary licenses and doing very well.
Yes. And why not? The same people who refuse to come up with a $30 co-pay to take their children to a doctor's office think nothing of coming up with $100 to take their cat to the vet.

Veterinarians are not having all these issues with Medicaid.
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Old 07-04-2011, 08:34 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Yes. And why not? The same people who refuse to come up with a $30 co-pay to take their children to a doctor's office think nothing of coming up with $100 to take their cat to the vet.

Veterinarians are not having all these issues with Medicaid.


People that are in business for themselves, tend to work smarter, not harder.
They learn to adapt in a changing environment.

Less stress and more profits, no malpractice crap.


As a side effect, new technology in the veterinary medicine has boomed. The talent coming into the field has raised the bar for pet and livestock owners across the nation.
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