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Old 07-06-2011, 05:54 PM
 
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How come politicians lie all the time and nothing happens or they get a slap on the wrist and yet Roger Clemens lies and we have to waste all kinds of tax dollars on him and he will likely end up in jail. Isn't that backasswards?
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Old 07-06-2011, 05:58 PM
 
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Politicians don't actually lie that much. They lie a lot less than people whine about them.

Roger Clemens allegedly lied under oath in front of congress. You go to jail for that.
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Old 07-06-2011, 06:23 PM
 
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Politicians don't actually lie that much.
You have got to be joking.
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Old 07-06-2011, 06:47 PM
 
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You have got to be joking.
Politicians rarely lie in the sense that Clemans did. If they told lies all the time, and it could be proved they lied, they would lose all credibility, and wouldn't be effective politicians (John Edwards).

What they do instead is mostly make statements that are at least aurguably true. When they do set out to deliberately make false statements, they are careful to maintain "plausible deniabilty" (Reagan during Iran-Contra).

That's why politicians don't like to be made to testify under oath (Bush and Cheney, for example, were not sworn in for their 9-11 Commission "testimony". Condi WAS, and consequently had to make some damning admissions).

Clinton arguably lied constantly during his presidency, and yet he remained a highly effective and successful president. But when he lied under oath (during the Paula Jones deposition) he got nailed for it. He later pled guilty to one count of perjury.
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Old 07-06-2011, 07:23 PM
 
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Clinton arguably lied constantly during his presidency, and yet he remained a highly effective and successful president. But when he lied under oath (during the Paula Jones deposition) he got nailed for it. He later pled guilty to one count of perjury.
And that's my point. In all reality, he got slapped on the wrist. No jail time. No jail time for Rangel either. But Clemens will most likely serve jail time, plus I think we have much more important things to do with the tax payers money than that. Like pay down the debt.
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Old 07-06-2011, 07:34 PM
 
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The same reason they exempt themselves from most of the laws they pass. Americans with Disablities Act, sexual harassment laws, wage and hour act are just a few examples.
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Old 07-14-2011, 03:32 PM
 
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The lies that politicians tell (called "spin" to make it sound legitimate) are so outrageous that it is impossible to 'call them ' on it. How do you argue with some of the stupid things these guys in DC do, and say?

Their whole existance is one big mirage designed to stroke their egos. Truth has no place in their lives. It's all about doing anything, and saying anything, which will hurt someone else, and advance their own careers within the circle of people that matters to them.

What politicians don't 'get' is that even the most basic village idiot knows that the politicos are lying and acting like complete fools. The only people politicians fool are themselves.

The problem is, that in the end, the system of bribes and directing government spending to the people who pay the bribes (otherwise known as 'lobbying and campaign contributions') puts the bill for all these indiscretions squarely on the shoulders of the peolpe who know that their leadership is lying to begin with. It is a very strange social phenomina.
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Old 07-14-2011, 03:36 PM
 
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The lies that politicians tell (called "spin" to make it sound legitimate) are so outrageous that it is impossible to 'call them ' on it. How do you argue with some of the stupid things these guys in DC do, and say?
Have a look around this forum. Most of the things posted here are 'stupid things' as you call them. Politicians and what they say are a reflection of the electorate.

That's why you hear things like Rebuplicans saying that they want to cut trillions of dollars in government spending yet raising any taxes would 'hurt the economy'. They both do the same thing, but people aren't smart enough to pick up on that. Just an example from one side, but you get the point.
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