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Old 07-10-2011, 09:19 AM
 
Location: Eretz Yisrael
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Even without governmental or political assistance, peace IS possible!
As I've stated before its not a people problem. Israelis don't hate Arabs. Its a leadership issue. Hamas and its splinter groups don't want peace with the Israelis. They are in a territory that has no Israelis in it. The land is self governed. Just look at the Gilad Schalit situation that has been going on for five years now. He was 19 when he was taken hostage and there has been no proof of life given in the last three years. Where is the humanity in this. Hamas represents itself and not the people. If the people ever got weapons they would overthrow Hamas. They cant even vote them out. The same thing that happened in Iran will happen in Gaza. The opposition will be hunted down and killed.

Gaza: Armed Palestinian Groups Commit Grave Crimes | Human Rights Watch
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Old 07-10-2011, 09:52 AM
 
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Hi 3-shepherds,

How would you feel if someone came along and kicked you out of your home and town just because "the Bible told them" to kick you out?
The Bible doesn't tell people to kick others out. Land grab is a part of survival, known through history. Weather you believe the "Bible or Not" it does show history.

If it's not religious, then why are the Muslims fighting so hard for Jerusalem? Even if Israel gave them land it won't be settled it would still be to kill all Jews, is this not right??

The Gold Dome was a part of conquering the temple, nothing religious about that though.

What would killing all the Jews bring the Muslim nation......Wouldn't be to bring back Allah would it??

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BTW, many Israelis don't even believe in the Bible. So it's really not even a relevant issue here.
I don't except the Jews to believe in the Bible, they have the Torah. I'm well aware of our differences. America probably has hurt them, more than we have helped them.

Why should Israel give up land, why not Jordan, Syria or Egypt??
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Old 07-10-2011, 09:58 AM
 
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[quote=ahigherway;19951342]Even without governmental or political assistance, peace IS possible!


YouTube - ‪Racism agains Muslims in Israel - Part1 (what would u do - Israel)‬‏

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Maybe, we don't know what's best and should mind our own business!!
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Old 07-10-2011, 10:17 AM
 
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What you fail to understand is that most of these people have never left the safety of their homes.
My experience over the last 45 years+ of dealing with israeli issues is that there are several kinds of anti-israel / anti-jewish agitators making up the majority of them - none of whom can be reasoned with:

1-arab muslims who have been brainwashed from their early years by their imam and parents against jews and israel

2-mentally ill non-arab muslims who are failures in their regular life but attach themselves to this issue as a means of feeling important and recognized

3-outright jew-haters like white supremicists, many of whom are also mentally ill and straddle category #2

4-a small, small minority of young high school / college students who have had bad professors, unsuccessful people in this society, who lash out at the US / Israel for being capitalistic and financially powerful. This group usually grows up and out of their anti-Israel psychosis as they hit their late 20s / early 30s, and cannot be reasoned with until later on when they reach an age where they begin to work, hold jobs, and realize their teachers sucked and lied to them for a long time.
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Old 07-10-2011, 10:24 AM
 
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- I agree that the land was not "Palestinian" land. (Neither was North America "Indian" land. But it was taken from them.)
Alot of land was taken from the indians, alot was not. Arab muslims did not live across the entire region in sufficient density to cover 100% of israel, and the jews lived in many parts of it as well.

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I agree that both Jews and Arabs lived together in the region before Israel was created. -So why did they create problems by "making a state??" The Jews hurt themselves.
You need to get past the nonsense that there were peaceful relations between arab muslims and other groups prior to 1948 - there was not. The jews wanted their own state created in areas where they lived, and the arab muslims could live in their own state where they lived, 2 states for 2 people.

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I agree that the UN split the area. I think they didn't understand what they were getting into by doing it.
The depth of racism of arab muslims in unquantifiable, and their unwillingness to allow other groups to retain sovereignty in the middle east is the heart of the problem.

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After all, both groups were already living there in relative peace!
A dead giveaway for the ignorant, this is totally, factually wrong.

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I agree that Arabs ought to consider sharing the land. In fact, they were sharing it before the "state of Israel" began pushing them out.
"Sharing" it? How?

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The Jews lived much more peacefully throughout the world before the "state of Israel" was created.
This borders on lunacy.
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