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Old 07-08-2011, 08:31 AM
 
Location: Out in the Badlands
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The "war on terrorism" is a "war on our freedoms". Plato
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Old 07-08-2011, 08:53 AM
 
Location: Italy
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I suggest you look up a fellow named Neville Chamberlain.

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Are you referring to this? Guilty Men - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If so, I understand your concern. Many people think that war is necessary.

I disagree; we need to consider war "not an option" in order to find new solutions. The problem is, fighting is the "easiest" solution. All it takes is weapons and men who obey like robots. But the fact that it doesn't take much effort (in terms of solution-finding) doesn't mean that it is right or "necessary." It only means that other solutions are not being tried, or the right solution has not yet been found.


Peace,
brian
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Old 07-08-2011, 09:02 AM
 
Location: Hoboken
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Are you referring to this? Guilty Men - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If so, I understand your concern. Many people think that war is necessary.

I disagree; we need to consider war "not an option" in order to find new solutions. The problem is, fighting is the "easiest" solution. All it takes is weapons and men who obey like robots. But the fact that it doesn't take much effort (in terms of solution-finding) doesn't mean that it is right or "necessary." It only means that other solutions are not being tried, or the right solution has not yet been found.


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brian
I am referring to the outcome of trying to negotiate with crazy people. It is a cautionary tale.

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Old 07-08-2011, 09:12 AM
 
Location: Italy
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In war, both sides think they are right.

So who's right??


Perhaps rather than using military might, the decision ought to be left to a third, neutral party, with the best interests of all in mind.


Peace,
brian
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Old 07-08-2011, 09:14 AM
 
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Our government's self declared wars are always against we taxpayers.
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Old 07-08-2011, 09:14 AM
 
Location: Italy
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I am referring to the outcome of trying to negotiate with crazy people. It is a cautionary tale.

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Crazy is relative, depending on who you ask. To many people, going to war for oil is crazy.

That's why a third, neutral party should intervene, to establish rules which are fair for everyone, with benefits for everyone.


Peace,
brian
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Old 07-08-2011, 09:29 AM
 
Location: Hoboken
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In war, both sides think they are right.

So who's right??


Perhaps rather than using military might, the decision ought to be left to a third, neutral party, with the best interests of all in mind.


Peace,
brian

LOL, in war sometimes one side is right. WWII comes to mind.


I am sure Islamic extremists (people who commit suicide to get chicks) will sit nicely while some disinterested (whoever that might be, I can't think of any) party deterimes who is right. You do understand this isn't the campus debate society right?

I think you really need to join the real world.

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Old 07-08-2011, 09:31 AM
 
Location: Hoboken
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Crazy is relative, depending on who you ask. To many people, going to war for oil is crazy.

That's why a third, neutral party should intervene, to establish rules which are fair for everyone, with benefits for everyone.


Peace,
brian

OK, if you think there are people who think Hitler wasn't crazy, you are entitled to think that. You would be wrong, but you are free to think that. Just as you are free to think people who commit suicide to get 72 virgins are sane.

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Old 07-08-2011, 09:40 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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A virtual war can never be won. You cannot measure faceless, country-less war games.
But that's what they want, don't they. A war that can never be verified as won yet can continue to be funded indefinitely as long as they tell us the bad guys "are still out there".
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Old 07-08-2011, 09:41 AM
 
Location: Italy
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LOL, in war sometimes one side is right. WWII comes to mind.


I am sure Islamic extremists (people who commit suicide to get chicks) will sit nicely while some disinterested (whoever that might be, I can't think of any) party deterimes who is right. You do understand this isn't the campus debate society right?

I think you really need to join the real world.

Cheers!
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OK, if you think there are people who think Hitler wasn't crazy, you are entitled to think that. You would be wrong, but you are free to think that. Just as you are free to think people who commit suicide to get 72 virgins are sane.

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It might come as a surprise, but actually many people supported Hitler's war, at least initially. Germany itself seemed to go along with his plans.

I think you completely missed my point, however.

My point is, that in a war situation, both sides believe they are right. That means that a third, neutral party must intervene and make an agreement that is acceptable to both sides. It doesn't mean that both sides are right. It means that an agreement must be reached. But both sides might be right; both sides might be wrong; or one side may be more right than the other. The guiding principles, however, must be for the peace and welfare of all involved, not just one side.

I hope you can understand my posts better now.


Peace,
brian
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