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Old 07-09-2011, 11:05 AM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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First, Clinton was going to take all the guns, then it was Obama in 2008.

Well, I still have my firearms...what about you?

Any so called proposals will be something small like strengthening NICS background checks...it will be nothing major. Obama knows gun control is a loser politically.
I agree. At best, existing regulations will be reviewed and possibly updated. Even then the authority of the Executive Branch is limited with regard to regulations. Every regulation must be based upon existing law. As we all should know, Presidents do not enact laws, they only enforce them.

This session of Congress is not likely to address the issue of firearms at all, even though there continues to be lots of legislation introduced concerning firearms. As with prior sessions of Congress, that legislation typically dies in some committee and never reaches the floor for a vote.
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Old 07-09-2011, 11:09 AM
 
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I agree. At best, existing regulations will be reviewed and possibly updated. Even then the authority of the Executive Branch is limited with regard to regulations. Every regulation must be based upon existing law. As we all should know, Presidents do not enact laws, they only enforce them.

This session of Congress is not likely to address the issue of firearms at all, even though there continues to be lots of legislation introduced concerning firearms. As with prior sessions of Congress, that legislation typically dies in some committee and never reaches the floor for a vote.
You missed the point of the article. This is not about legislation. This is about Obama using his regulatory agencies to bypass the legislative process. This time he'll use BATFE, DOJ and HHS, EPA and possibly DHS to do his dirty work for him in the name of safety. Count on it. We can only hope that the DOJ and BATFE are so damaged by "Fast & Furious" that Obama's UN agenda of eliminating the ownership of small arms by individuals (not governments) fails because of the outrageous corruption shown within the DOJ & BATFE.

When the government purports to do something for the good of the people, rarely is that the case. Their real motives are power and control with the result being less liberty for the citizen.
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Old 07-09-2011, 11:22 AM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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You missed the point of the article. This is not about legislation. This is about Obama using his regulatory agencies to bypass the legislative process. This time he'll use BATFE, DOJ and HHS, EPA and possibly DHS to do his dirty work for him in the name of safety. Count on it. We can only hope that the DOJ and BATFE are so damaged by "Fast & Furious" that Obama's UN agenda of eliminating the ownership of small arms by individuals (not governments) fails because of the outrageous corruption shown within the DOJ & BATFE.

When the government purports to do something for the good of the people, rarely is that the case. Their real motives are power and control with the result being less liberty for the citizen.
You missed the point of my post. Obama cannot use regulatory agencies to bypass the legislative process because every regulation must be based upon existing law. He cannot manufacture regulations out of thin air. They would have no legal validity and therefore no force of law. The courts would toss the bogus regulation out the instant it was applied.

With regard to the UN, nothing can be implemented without "the advice and consent of the Senate", and no treaty or UN Covenant that violates the US Constitution can be given consent. So it really does not matter what the UN agenda may or may not be.

Thankfully, we have checks in place to prevent a tyrannical dictatorship.
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Old 07-09-2011, 12:54 PM
 
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Last I checked, boarding an airplane wasn't a guaranteed constitutional right.
LOL. I didn't think strip searching folks was either. Harassing children and grannies either. I guess you should look up the 4th amendment. Government doesn't own the airlines. Are you really this loony or just trying to pull my chain?
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Old 07-09-2011, 12:55 PM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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No doubt...but it WAS under Clinton...

Bush Jr said he would renew the AWB if it reached his desk.
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Old 07-09-2011, 12:56 PM
 
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You missed the point of my post. Obama cannot use regulatory agencies to bypass the legislative process because every regulation must be based upon existing law. He cannot manufacture regulations out of thin air. They would have no legal validity and therefore no force of law. The courts would toss the bogus regulation out the instant it was applied.

With regard to the UN, nothing can be implemented without "the advice and consent of the Senate", and no treaty or UN Covenant that violates the US Constitution can be given consent. So it really does not matter what the UN agenda may or may not be.

Thankfully, we have checks in place to prevent a tyrannical dictatorship.
" He cannot manufacture regulations out of thin air."

Ever heard of the EPA?? I guess not.
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Old 07-09-2011, 01:18 PM
 
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You missed the point of my post. Obama cannot use regulatory agencies to bypass the legislative process because every regulation must be based upon existing law. He cannot manufacture regulations out of thin air. They would have no legal validity and therefore no force of law. The courts would toss the bogus regulation out the instant it was applied.

With regard to the UN, nothing can be implemented without "the advice and consent of the Senate", and no treaty or UN Covenant that violates the US Constitution can be given consent. So it really does not matter what the UN agenda may or may not be.

Thankfully, we have checks in place to prevent a tyrannical dictatorship.
Obama has been using regulatory agencies to bypass the legislative process at every turn. Have you been paying attention? Good heavens, just look at the blank script he's given to HHS to do whatever they please in the name of "Obamacare". Look that the EPA and their regulations which will "necessarily" per Obama, drive electric energy prices higher. Look at Obama interjecting himself into private contracts and picking the winners and losers (Government Motors and most recently defaulters on FHA mortgages).

Obama has eliminated the checks to prevent tyranny though the use of bureaucracy and agencies via their regulatory powers. Congress over and over again abdicates their responsibility to keep these agencies in check.

I thank God for this Issa/Grassley investigation into BATFE, the DOJ and this administration!
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Old 07-09-2011, 01:22 PM
 
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Obama has been using regulatory agencies to bypass the legislative process at every turn. Have you been paying attention? Good heavens, just look at the blank script he's given to HHS to do whatever they please in the name of "Obamacare". Look that the EPA and their regulations which will "necessarily" per Obama, drive electric energy prices higher. Look at Obama interjecting himself into private contracts and picking the winners and losers (Government Motors and most recently defaulters on FHA mortgages).
He's obviously under the dilusion that obama even knows what the Constitution is and if he does that he follows it. Hell he won't even enforce laws that are passed like DOMA, gulf drilling ban lifted and illegal enforcement along the border. Hell he goes as far as to use the DOJ to sue a friggen state who passes their own law which mirrors federal law to fight illegals because the feds are sitting on their hands. Its sickening.
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Old 07-09-2011, 02:45 PM
 
Location: somewhere in the woods
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You missed the point of my post. Obama cannot use regulatory agencies to bypass the legislative process because every regulation must be based upon existing law. He cannot manufacture regulations out of thin air. They would have no legal validity and therefore no force of law. The courts would toss the bogus regulation out the instant it was applied.

With regard to the UN, nothing can be implemented without "the advice and consent of the Senate", and no treaty or UN Covenant that violates the US Constitution can be given consent. So it really does not matter what the UN agenda may or may not be.

Thankfully, we have checks in place to prevent a tyrannical dictatorship.


he can in fact do something that has the force of the courts. he can use his executive power. when was the last time the scotus ruled any executive order unconstitutional?
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Old 07-09-2011, 02:46 PM
 
Location: somewhere in the woods
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No doubt...but it WAS under Clinton...

Bush Jr said he would renew the AWB if it reached his desk.

and it never reached GWB's desk. congress did the right thing and let AWB94 expire.
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