If Obama passes this then I'll admit I was wrong (Barack Obama, myth)
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That I am. I'm 22. I don't have the real world experience you do but everything I believe I've learned from people much older and smarter than me.
Just a few thousand of hours of studying politics and history. Never been a corporate banker
Alrighty then. It might shock you to realize I campaigned for Reagan when you weren't even born? And yet I saw the error of my ways years later.
Thank you for being honest. 22 is an interesting age to be. I was like you at 22, except my thing was let all the blue collar workers go get a degree. Let all their jobs get outsourced, as I was getting a college degree.
Boy, was I wrong. It's good you are on an Internet forum and I hope all of this opens up your world.
Alrighty then. It might shock you to realize I campaigned for Reagan when you weren't even born? And yet I saw the error of my ways years later.
Thank you for being honest. 22 is an interesting age to be. I was like you at 22, except my thing was let all the blue collar workers go get a degree. Let all their jobs get outsourced, as I was getting a college degree.
I wouldn't go that far with it. Hell I don't have a degree. Like I said I agree on the outsourcing, but that's one area where I haven't done all the research.
With regards to my second bolded point, you're wrong. Not everyone benefits when things are going good. The only constant seems to be that the rich benefit no matter what, even in a horrible economy like this. Oh, maybe they have to scale back on their yacht purchases, but just sayin'.
Third bolded point - in the past this was true. I'd argue it's not true anymore. And can make doesn't mean will make.
as i said, we are heading towards socialism and away from capitalism as we speak. higher taxes and more regulation are hurting the economy. and with obama giving the people and the companies the breaks they want because they helped get him elected should tell you that our government has long since become corrupt. the problem is that many in our government WANT socialism so they can have MORE power. again the problem isnt capitalism, it is far too much government. reign it in and let business do what they do best and watch the economy take off.
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Originally Posted by mistygrl092
Honestly? Because I believe in democratic principals. However, it's obvious that all this left-right arguing is pointless. I am still strongly against what the GOP stands for and find them to be far more dangerous than the dems.
you think the republicans, who want smaller government and less spending, are more dangerous than the democrats who want more government and more spending, and higher taxes? you are not a socialist honey, you are a marxist, like our president.
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Having said this, it's becoming more apparent (and I don't think I am alone in thinking this) that Obama is a republican with a D behind his name. I do give him credit for taking on healthcare reform (which is desperately needed), but just about everything else he has done pretty much has been in line with what the GOP wants. Now, to be fair, he has been absolutely stonewalled in his efforts to work with them. He has been disrespected by them like no other president. Racism IS alive and well in this country. And it goes all ways. It's not just whites against blacks, it's blacks against whites too. Ditto with hispanics.
obama has been stonewalled in his effort to work with the republicans? rubbish pure and simple. remember that when obama was elected, he had control of the house and senate, and he still couldnt get his agenda passed the way he wanted it, because the american people put pressure on congress and basically told them in no uncertain terms WE DONT WANT SOCIALISM!!!! obama is a marxist pure and simple, he is just doing a good job hiding it from his supporters.
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I'll tell you one reason socialism will not work in this country and I am surprised no one has mentioned this - because we are too diverse and our population is too large to really pull it off.
socialism wont work in this country, not because we are too big, but rather because we have too many people that would game the system. big government is already far too expensive because of that, so imagine even more people getting on the government dole.
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Originally Posted by mistygrl092
Don't forget that outsourcing could have been prevented by penalizing the outsourcers. But then funding would be cut off to the powers that be and they need that funding to win elections.
America has been bought and paid for.
punish the outsourcing? why not just have all companies move offshore then? because that is what will happen. imagine punishing ford motor company for building cars in mexico. all that would happen is that ford would move its world headquarters to a more business friendly country, including the rest of its manufacturing capability, and then what? how are you going to find work for all those now unemployed union workers? and if ford leaves, it will start a domino effect and other large companies will leave, and just make things worse. talk about crashing an economy.
if you want to end outsourcing, then what needs to happen is our government needs to make the business environment much more friendly here through the elimination of a huge amount of regulation on business. trim down the power of the unions, and let business do what it does best, make money.
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Originally Posted by mistygrl092
Good, I am happy to hear this. Most conservatives could not care less. They don't seem to get the concept of just how much all of this costs and that this money could be spent to take care of our own.
rubbish. the reality is that we DO care about health care costs, but socialized medicine is NOT the answer.
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As you see above, I have shared a couple of links with you. One is of a guy who was successful and lost his job, his health insurance, and had a family and died as he could not afford treatment.
sad to hear, but that happens EVERYWHERE not just in the US.
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BTW, what conservatives spread - that no one can be turned away in an ER - this is true. However, this is true only to the extent they stabilize you. If something is wrong with you after this and you don't have insurance they do not have to treat you.
really? tell that to all the people who use the ER as their primary care.
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Hey I voted for Obama thinking he was the pro-freedom candidate. None of them are, only Ron Paul is. And yet you people, conservatives and liberals alike, call Ron Paul a kook because he believes in freedom! It shows just how many people are controlled by the media. The people need to wake up, and start realizing the corporate owned media from HuffPo to Media Matters to Fox News to Free Republic they are all the "Ministry of Truth"
to me ron paul is not a kook, but he is unelectable.
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Originally Posted by mistygrl092
No, we need to take care of our own first. Bottom line. Call me an isolationist. I don't care. All I know is this country is falling apart. Bridges are collapsing (and that one I-35 is from my home town). I say we get out of wars, close down the bases, stop policing the world, mind our own business and clean up our own backyard.
i can agree with getting out of the wars we are now in. i can agree with repairing the infrastructure in this country. i cna also agree to a point that we need to stop policing the world, though as the only current superpower the world looks to us for a lot of support.
however we cannot just let the rest of the world do what they want either. the reason our navy was created in the first place was to make sure the shipping lanes around the world remained open, and to try and stop slave trafficking. we still need to support our allies, but we also need to make then do more of their own defense.
I wouldn't go that far with it. Hell I don't have a degree. Like I said I agree on the outsourcing, but that's one area where I haven't done all the research.
Well, I have to be honest. At this point I think you'd fare better getting a trade - like an electrician or some other sort of expert in demand. College degrees are overrated these days.
If you have any mechanical aptitude, I'd capitalize on that. You could start your own business and become licensed and bonded, etc.
i can agree with getting out of the wars we are now in. i can agree with repairing the infrastructure in this country. i cna also agree to a point that we need to stop policing the world, though as the only current superpower the world looks to us for a lot of support.
however we cannot just let the rest of the world do what they want either. the reason our navy was created in the first place was to make sure the shipping lanes around the world remained open, and to try and stop slave trafficking. we still need to support our allies, but we also need to make then do more of their own defense.
Correction - we are well on the way to NOT being the superpower. What is it going to take to get you guys to realize when we cannot even make our interest payments on the debt to China we are NOT a superpower?
I am tired of your rationalizations that somehow we KNOW what is best for everyone else. Let us live in peace for once. We are not the end all, be all.
Could you be more egomaniacal than this? BTW, the world HATES us. The world wants us to stay the eff out of their affairs. I concur.
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Well, I have to be honest. At this point I think you'd fare better getting a trade - like an electrician or some other sort of expert in demand. College degrees are overrated these days.
If you have any mechanical aptitude, I'd capitalize on that. You could start your own business and become licensed and bonded, etc.
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It shows just how many people are controlled by the media. The people need to wake up, and start realizing the corporate owned media from HuffPo to Media Matters to Fox News to Free Republic they are all the 
