If Obama passes this then I'll admit I was wrong (Iraq, health care system)
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Well, it's obvious that the welfare of the people (except for the rich) counts for nothing, except for Obama's work on healthcare reform. By golly, he pulled it off. However, if the GOP has its way it will go away, which is just plain mean-spirited to people who really need healthcare.
It comes down to freedom vs security. I'd rather have the freedom to pursue my own goals with less restriction than the guaranteed health care and the restrictions that come with it.
My problem with socialism is that it takes away from individuality and personal responsibility. I don't think we can survive as a society unless we are forced to support ourselves, and I think in the long run socialism would weaken us as individuals as we became more and more dependent on the government. Look at the problems caused by welfare for example.
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You forgot about the part re: letting Americans buy drugs from Canada. Or maybe you missed that addition.
No not in this thread, this is just a point that people rarely bring up as you pointed out, but I agree 100%.
What should we embrace then? You keep saying capitalism is a failure, but socialism as it exists today only survives by taking a cut for the capitalism that occurs within it. The socialism we see in Europe for example is just capitalism with a stronger central government and higher taxes.
Why don't we emulate what they are doing in the happy socialist countries in Europe? Why don't we "think outside the box" and put an end to all outsourcing? There are many things that could be done within the context of the law - oh, except we have no voice.
I'm convinced that the Internets have gotten us to a point where it's much easier to just sit and type than get out in the streets. Guilty here too. Just food for thought. I think without this outlet, you would see some kind of revolution. Heck, when enough people are hungry and homeless, you might for real see a real revolution. Right now, people like the 99ers are off the radar for most. When it really hits home to conservatives, when they lose their jobs, when they can't feed their kids, when they become homeless, look out. There are something like 88 million guns in this country. Of course, there are tanks that can run people over too, a la Tianamen Square (sp).
Oh, and how could I forget?! End the wars, close the bases all over the world! That would save a ton of dough and then maybe, just maybe, we can address some of our problems at home. Oh, and raise the taxes. I will gladly pay more taxes to live in a civilized society.
Why don't we emulate what they are doing in the happy socialist countries in Europe? Why don't we "think outside the box" and put an end to all outsourcing? There are many things that could be done within the context of the law - oh, except we have no voice.
The outsourcing is a problem. We can still be capitalist and find ways to regulate outsourcing though.
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Originally Posted by mistygrl092
I'm convinced that the Internets have gotten us to a point where it's much easier to just sit and type than get out in the streets. Guilty here too. Just food for thought. I think without this outlet, you would see some kind of revolution. Heck, when enough people are hungry and homeless, you might for real see a real revolution. Right now, people like the 99ers are off the radar for most. When it really hits home to conservatives, when they lose their jobs, when they can't feed their kids, when they become homeless, look out. There are something like 88 million guns in this country. Of course, there are tanks that can run people over too, a la Tianamen Square (sp).
Well by typing we may very well be just as effective than if we were to go marching down the street. Without the internet I wouldn't have one tenth of the knowledge I do. It's just a new way of communicating.
Oh, and how could I forget?! End the wars, close the bases all over the world! That would save a ton of dough and then maybe, just maybe, we can address some of our problems at home. Oh, and raise the taxes. I will gladly pay more taxes to live in a civilized society.
Yes the wars need to end. As far as taxes go... taxes are fine but as I'm sure you've figured out by now I believe in smaller government. If we had to raise taxes I'd have to no problem with it, but I will have a problem with it if that money is going down the drain.
It comes down to freedom vs security. I'd rather have the freedom to pursue my own goals with less restriction than the guaranteed health care and the restrictions that come with it.
Ok, when and if you lose your job and your health insurance, I hope nothing EVER goes wrong with you and your family. If any one of you are uninsurable, well, you have no idea. Then maybe you will understand why so many of us want healthcare reform. BTW, we are the only industrialized country in the world who does not offer this.
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My problem with socialism is that it takes away from individuality and personal responsibility. I don't think we can survive as a society unless we are forced to support ourselves, and I think in the long run socialism would weaken us as individuals as we became more and more dependent on the government. Look at the problems caused by welfare for example.
Oh, and when you get that million dollar bill because someone came down with cancer, talk to me about personal responsibility. Most people cannot sustain a hit like that. Most people either die or file bankruptcy.
Yes the wars need to end. As far as taxes go... taxes are fine but as I'm sure you've figured out by now I believe in smaller government. If we had to raise taxes I'd have to no problem with it, but I will have a problem with it if that money is going down the drain.
Ok, when and if you lose your job and your health insurance, I hope nothing EVER goes wrong with you and your family. If any one of you are uninsurable, well, you have no idea. Then maybe you will understand why so many of us want healthcare reform. BTW, we are the only industrialized country in the world who does not offer this.
Oh, and when you get that million dollar bill because someone came down with cancer, talk to me about personal responsibility. Most people cannot sustain a hit like that. Most people either die or file bankruptcy.
That's a mostly emotional argument. But I'm not even taking a hard stance on the healthcare thing. I'm just pointing out that it has its disadvantages. It's a trade off between freedom and security.
I will also add that I'm all for some type of minimal safety net for those who absolutely need it.
That's a mostly emotional argument. But I'm not even taking a hard stance on the healthcare thing. I'm just pointing out that it has its disadvantages. It's a trade off between freedom and security.
I will also add that I'm all for some type of minimal safety net for those who absolutely need it.
Maybe it's emotional because it should be. Surely we have not become so callous as a society that we can't see the truth:
Maybe it's emotional because it should be. Surely we have not become so callous as a society that we can't see the truth:
Emotion is probably not the best basis on which to manage a world superpower. If I ran my business on emotion, I'd go broke in a month.
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