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Old 07-11-2011, 03:17 PM
 
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H.R. 822.

Essentially allows those with concealed carry permits from one state to carry them in any state that also issues CPLs, or does not have specific laws against the carry of concealed weapons.

It didn't pass in 2009, so I don't know why, but the Brady Campaign has their panties in a twist about this one.

The bill specifically states that anyone carrying concealed from a different state must abide by the laws of the state they are in.

So, what is Brady's complaint?
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The so-called "National Right-to-Carry Reciprocity Act of 2011" would override state laws that limit who may carry loaded hidden handguns within state borders. If passed, the bill would allow people from states with extremely permissive concealed carry laws to bring their guns into states that have justifiably passed more restrictive laws.
This outrageous piece of legislation will put police officers in severe danger. In fact, if passed, this law will put all of us in danger. We must stop it.

It appears the Brady Campaign believes that people in a "lenient" state become murderous psychopaths when they cross state lines to a "strict" state.



From earlier in the email, this gem.
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We believe the gun lobby is ready to quickly and quietly push an amendment through the Senate that would force states, like your state, to allow dangerous people to carry hidden guns in public.

Again. Ignore the vast majority of licensed people who carry peacefully. No, if they have a CPL, obviously they are murderous psychopaths, despite the evidence actually suggesting they are more law abiding than those who don't have them.
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Old 07-11-2011, 03:31 PM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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Now that's a common sense gun control law!
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Old 07-11-2011, 04:03 PM
 
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Frankly I don't support it. The states have this already pretty much worked out between themselves:

U.S. CCW Reciprocity Map from CarryConcealed.net (http://apps.carryconcealed.net/legal/reciprocity.php - broken link)

There is no need for the federal government to get involved. What the government giveth the government also taketh away.
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Old 07-11-2011, 04:24 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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I disagree, I believe in states rights. Every step against giving states more choices is a step that will lead to further federal control.
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Old 07-11-2011, 04:25 PM
 
Location: Out in the Badlands
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Originally Posted by Konraden View Post
H.R. 822.

Essentially allows those with concealed carry permits from one state to carry them in any state that also issues CPLs, or does not have specific laws against the carry of concealed weapons.

It didn't pass in 2009, so I don't know why, but the Brady Campaign has their panties in a twist about this one.

The bill specifically states that anyone carrying concealed from a different state must abide by the laws of the state they are in.

So, what is Brady's complaint?
Emphasis mine.



It appears the Brady Campaign believes that people in a "lenient" state become murderous psychopaths when they cross state lines to a "strict" state.



From earlier in the email, this gem.
Emphasis mine.





Again. Ignore the vast majority of licensed people who carry peacefully. No, if they have a CPL, obviously they are murderous psychopaths, despite the evidence actually suggesting they are more law abiding than those who don't have them.
Bring IT on brotha!
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Old 07-11-2011, 04:38 PM
 
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Frankly I don't support it. The states have this already pretty much worked out between themselves:

U.S. CCW Reciprocity Map from CarryConcealed.net (http://apps.carryconcealed.net/legal/reciprocity.php - broken link)

There is no need for the federal government to get involved. What the government giveth the government also taketh away.
The states really don't have it worked out. Many states don't have any formal laws detailing which states they do and do not accept. Some of the conditions are done on street precedent.

The law would allow all states to reciprocate--something we already do for other licenses--and doesn't actually change the laws in any way. Brady's fallacious argument could be as much made for Driver IDs as it does for CCWs. Some states have lenient driving licensing laws, some are much more strict.

Look at the map for yourself. Large swathes of land go barren if reside in one state but not another. You'd still have to follow the rules and regs of that state--just like your drivers license--but the difference is that you can't be arrested for illegal possession of a weapon if you have a valid permit. Imagine driving through Ohio one day and being arrested and your car impounded because they didn't reciprocate your drivers license.
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Old 07-11-2011, 04:57 PM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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Old 07-11-2011, 05:00 PM
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Location: Phoenix,AZ
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Don't even need a CCW here in AZ to carry concealed.

That should be everywhere.
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Old 07-11-2011, 05:17 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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I welcome this if I can get a CCW in another State and use it here. Only LE or their family/friends stand a chance in hades of getting CCW here. I worked for a bank doing large drops after dark in a dung heap hood and couldn't get one. Reason? Not enough reason.
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Old 07-11-2011, 06:13 PM
 
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I welcome this if I can get a CCW in another State and use it here. Only LE or their family/friends stand a chance in hades of getting CCW here. I worked for a bank doing large drops after dark in a dung heap hood and couldn't get one. Reason? Not enough reason.
No, this would do nothing to help Californians under their current may issue system. Y'all need to get your act together and your elected representative on board with your 2nd Amendment rights. Otherwise, sue your state and take it all the way up to the Supreme Court when you are denied a license the way Heller was handled.
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