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Old 07-12-2011, 06:11 PM
 
Location: The Brightest City On Earth
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As I watch the continuing mess with the Rupert Murdoch empire in England, it has made me somewhat wonder who is the bigger threat to the American way of life. I think we all agree that the government at all levels is too big and too powerful. I for one do not like being told what kind of light bulbs I can buy or that I must drive a certain kind of vehicle. Those are choices a free people should be allowed to make and live with.
But now I am asking myself if I should be more afraid of corporate America and if we need to look into cutting the largest corporations down to size. It makes me no difference if a large company is tapping my phones, reading the emails I send or spying on my bank and medical records than it does when the all powerful government does it.
The fact is that the Murdoch empire gets away with this stuff because they are virtually a monopoly in England and the politicians that are supposed to regulate them are scared to death of them. At least until now. Now it appears Murdoch may not get the TV duopoly there he was hoping for because this has made the Brits wake up and smell the coffee.
There are large "too big to fail" corporations in this country that have the same power over this country that Murdoch has over English politicians. Look at the way the big banks and GM forced us to bail them out when they should have been allowed to sink over their own stupid decisions. Look at the way AT&T and Verizon are hell bent on putting the old Bell monopoly back together again or how big banks are allowed to get bigger and bigger. There comes a point when people should say enough is enough. The English has finally reached that point. We need to do likewise I think.
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Old 07-12-2011, 06:14 PM
 
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Well since they are so inextricably intertwined it sort of hard to see the distinction.
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Old 07-12-2011, 06:17 PM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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Well since they are so inextricably intertwined it sort of hard to see the distinction.
Agreed!

BTW, do you think it's safe to say America is Fascist?
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Old 07-12-2011, 06:17 PM
 
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Don't forget to leave out the unions in your accounting of corrupt influence and damage.

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Agreed!

BTW, do you think it's safe to say America is Fascist?
Fascist country, no. Fascist economy, thanks to ObamaBush nationalizing losses while privatizing profits, yes.
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Old 07-12-2011, 06:17 PM
 
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As I watch the continuing mess with the Rupert Murdoch empire in England, it has made me somewhat wonder who is the bigger threat to the American way of life. I think we all agree that the government at all levels is too big and too powerful.
Who's 'we'?
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Old 07-12-2011, 06:21 PM
 
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Agreed!

BTW, do you think it's safe to say America is Fascist?
For the most part yes. Big corporations complete own the right, and many on the left are sipping the sauce as well.
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Old 07-12-2011, 06:28 PM
 
Location: The Brightest City On Earth
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Don't forget to leave out the unions in your accounting of corrupt influence and damage.



Fascist country, no. Fascist economy, thanks to ObamaBush nationalizing losses while privatizing profits, yes.
I would limit that to public employee unions. Private unions are pretty much done with and have no power. Less than 5% of employees belong to a union. In fact today I saw a bunch of telephone unions walking around town in their red " CWA unity" shirts. I guess they are having a convention here. I almost laughed when I saw that bunch. If the United States government is scared of AT&T and Verizon, what the hell does this bunch of rag tags think they are going to do? Public employee unions should not be allowed to be politically involved in the picking of their bosses. I fully agree with what Scott Walker did to bust them back down to size in Wisconsin. It needs to be done everywhere.
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Old 07-12-2011, 06:28 PM
 
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Mega corporations, aka too big to fail corporations, own the US government lock, stock, and barrel. Most EPA, USDA, etc. regulations were made by lobbyists of the respective industries and certainly not for our benefit. The light bulb ban was probably pushed by GE which is heavily invested in all matters of green things and GE powerplants are exempt from carbon regulation by the EPA. This is a a few but many examples. The U.S. government works for the corporate elite, not us
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Old 07-12-2011, 06:33 PM
 
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The government of course.
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Old 07-12-2011, 06:33 PM
 
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Government......

I can always decide not to buy a product, listen to a radio station or not watch something on TV....

But I can't get away from the IRS nor the taxes government puts on almost everything....
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