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Old 07-13-2011, 12:05 PM
 
Location: Land of Thought and Flow
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But it is, without the pleasure there would be no impetus for sex and very little reproduction would take place.

I agree about the clerk.
Explain cats, then. For the female, sex is not only "not pleasurable", it's downright painful.

Glad we all can agree that it was best for the clerk to quit. Now somebody willing to do the job... can have a job!
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Old 07-13-2011, 12:10 PM
 
Location: Hoboken
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Explain cats, then. For the female, sex is not only "not pleasurable", it's downright painful.

Glad we all can agree that it was best for the clerk to quit. Now somebody willing to do the job... can have a job!
As I explained to another poster there is an impetus for each species go have sex, not all impetus is the same as we all evolved in different ways. But the cat is a pretty powerful example that nature wants us to reproduce, if cats are willing to endure pain ( not that I know for a fact this is true) to reproduce.
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Old 07-13-2011, 12:12 PM
 
Location: Virginia Beach
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But it is, without the pleasure there would be no impetus for sex and very little reproduction would take place.
Which is quite irrelevant to the fact that sex is not solely for reproduction.
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Old 07-13-2011, 12:15 PM
 
Location: Gone
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Someone makes the right action by leaving their job instead of staying in the job to harass and abuse those who choose to get an alternative marriage.

New York town clerk quits over gay marriage licenses - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/york-town-clerk-quits-over-gay-marriage-licenses-222510597.html - broken link)
Good riddance.
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Old 07-13-2011, 12:17 PM
 
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Explain cats, then. For the female, sex is not only "not pleasurable", it's downright painful.

Glad we all can agree that it was best for the clerk to quit. Now somebody willing to do the job... can have a job!
Ever seen a female cat in heat, there is your answer.
Casper
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Old 07-13-2011, 12:18 PM
 
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You are conflating us with nature. We have no control over nature. Nature doesn't care about you in any regard other than survival and propagation.

Of course sex is utilitarian, it's very reason for being is to reproduce. Because we use it for other things does not make those other things its intended purpose. If I use a shovel as a hammer, it doesn't make the shovel a hammer.
No, I'm asserting that our behavior is natural. You are asserting that human behavior is not natural. Your argument is insupportable.
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Old 07-13-2011, 12:21 PM
 
Location: Hoboken
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Which is quite irrelevant to the fact that sex is not solely for reproduction.
Actually it is for all the reasons I have outlined in this thread.
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Old 07-13-2011, 12:22 PM
 
Location: Virginia Beach
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Actually it is for all the reasons I have outlined in this thread.
Which has nothing to do with the fact that reproduction is not the only reason to have sex.
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Old 07-13-2011, 12:25 PM
 
Location: NY, NY
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Please enumerate those species.
I cant speak for all that was stated in the above quote but there are quite a number of species where same sex behavior is quite common. In fact, same sex pairings have been observed in ALL animals who have intercourse.

The Bonobo is a fully bisexual primate, black swans and mallards also have same sex pairings at around 15% of all males, and same sex pairing among giraffes are more common then opposite sex pairings.
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Old 07-13-2011, 12:25 PM
 
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Actually it is for all the reasons I have outlined in this thread.
Actually, you haven't supplied ANY reasons. You asserted that nature created sex solely for reproductive reasons. When it's been pointed out that nature made sex pleasurable, and that sex for pleasure would impel people to have sex for reasons besides reproduction, you assert that that is humanity's unnatural twisting of nature. And that is not a REASON, that is YOUR OPINION. Which is highly disputable, because you are asserting that any person engaging in sex for reasons besides reproduction is being unnatural. Since other species besides humans engage in sex for reasons beyond reproduction, such behavior has to be regarded as natural.
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