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Old 07-15-2011, 09:24 AM
 
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Here we go again!

earning profit is not only legal, but constitutional.

There is no limit to the amount of wealth which one can accumulate.

SS, medicare and medicaid are not constitutional.

America was founded on capitalistic ideals.

Don't like it, leave.
They don't even have to leave. If those with that ideology simply embraced leaving many things up to the states, they could implement all the "tax the rich" and social programs they want in that state or move to one that agrees with them.

Vermont is passing single payer on their own, why don't other liberal states follow their lead instead of trying to impose it on the entire nation? I still haven't heard a reason for not following this path.
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Old 07-15-2011, 07:02 PM
 
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Originally Posted by alphamale View Post
Here we go again!

earning profit is not only legal, but constitutional.

There is no limit to the amount of wealth which one can accumulate.

SS, medicare and medicaid are not constitutional.

America was founded on capitalistic ideals.

Don't like it, leave.
What ever you might think America was founded on there was a civil war to end the slavery of both white and black working families. I suggest you read the book "Labors Untold Story" and/or google the terms capatilism and slavery.
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Old 07-15-2011, 07:07 PM
 
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The real class warfare is being waged by the super rich and their spokespeople against the poor and working classes. The vast majority of Americans do not see the fruits of their labor. The cake eaters at the top of the economic food chain are very conscious of their position, so they do everything they can to distract, dismantle, and disorganize the working classes while they run off with all the income and wealth.

Class warfare in this country is very one-sided. People are under the impression that it's the left wing waging it, but it's really the rich right-wingers and their spokespeople who wage it. They pretend to be victims, but it is they who are the perpetrators of class warfare.
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Old 10-10-2011, 08:18 PM
 
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Got Equality?
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Old 10-10-2011, 08:39 PM
 
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I am going to go with they are just the smartest people in the room overall other than those who inherit or committ crimes to get it. Its not everyday that you get overall abilty like Steve Jobs or Biil Gates comes alogn with their abilties and vison who will take the risk they have.Most look including myself lack one or mroe thigns that makes great individuals so important thru out history.
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Old 10-10-2011, 09:17 PM
 
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Ok your family is poor, they have been poor your entire life. You go public school, and get straight A's. You have a decent SAT score and you have been accepted to at a number of colleges both private and public. You are offered a limited number of scholarships but since you catch a football or throw a basketball you can't afford the tuition at any of these colleges. If you were lucky enough to get a job, you still couldn't afford it. You go to different banks and apply for loans to help pay for school, but since credit is so scarce, you have no employment history, etc. you can't get a loan. So what do you do? You can't get any federal aid or loans, because according to you this person is "depending on the federal government" even though this person worked hard, got good grades but just can't afford the tuition which increases every year.

So..what's your solution?
Here's what some do:

Delay college and work for a couple years, living very frugally, while saving for college, during which you will continue to work part-time and live frugally.

Go to a CC for the first two years, which will have a much lower tuition and then transfer over. The important part of your resume is where you graduate from even if you didn't attend all four years.

Scrap college altogether like Steve Jobs and use your brain and ingenuity. Works for some.

Vote in someone like Ron Paul, who will get rid of government intervention programs that keep university tuition rates sky rocketing via the government backed guaranteed student loan programs.

Just some suggestions since you asked.
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Old 10-10-2011, 10:03 PM
 
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It helps to get your money the old fashion way...inherit it.
Wh could possibly have a problem with a parent passing down the fruits of the labors to the heirs?

Any wealth I accumulate will have been earnd by me.

I want to say who gets it when I go to the Great Beyond.

Not some vulturous politician looking to pick through my stuff and give it to his cronies and hangers-on.
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Old 10-10-2011, 10:48 PM
 
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The increase in federal subsidizing of tuition is what has contributed to college tuition inflation. If the consumer (student) isn't directly paying for it and making direct market choices (instead of tuition rate being secondary due to the use of borrowed money), it will effectively inflate the price, just as health care costs and housing prices are inflated through the use of "secondary money".
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Old 10-10-2011, 11:08 PM
 
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The "rich" already pay for everything from which the remaining 50% benefits. Is that "fair"? Of course not. If you went out to dinner with a group of friends and one friend was always paying for the remaining seven, would that be "fair"?
The "rich" don't get their wealth in a vacuum. If the other seven were doing all the cooking and cleaning and this one person was raking in big profits off their labor, then **** yes it's fair that he pays for their dinner.

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Here is a novel suggestion. If there was a constitutional amendment for a balanced budget, I would not mind having my taxes raised, PROVIDED THAT EVERYONE PAID THE SAME PERCENTAGE RATE (even for capital gains, such that those who derive thier income exclusively from cap gains would pay the same rate). With that, "the rich", by virtue of their larger incomes, would pay much, much more, as they do now. However, in that model, the current 50% of the dependent population would have some shared risk and skin in the game. In that scenario, EVERYONE would be leary of spending proposals and suggestions for increased taxes.
Can you do simple multiplication? A person scraping by on earnings of $9k annually is hurt by a tax of 20% while that wouldn't hurt a person earning $9mil annually. How is that fair?
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Old 10-11-2011, 02:44 AM
 
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"Warfare" implies that the combatants are on somewhat equal ground. There is no equal ground here.

Countdown to you being attacked for being jealous or bitter, and the wealthy being referred to as "job creators"

Not necessarily, when the combatants are not on equal ground, it's often called guerrilla warfare.
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