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Old 07-15-2011, 05:18 PM
 
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I'm a libertarian, and many libertarians are friends of mine, and Bill Maher is no libertarian.
Agreed, He has more liberal leaning views with a pinch of Ms. Dash's 'Libertine'.
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Old 07-15-2011, 05:22 PM
 
Location: Northern CA
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Yes, he supports a universal payer healthcare system, like they have in Europe.

As I pointed out before, thats not against libertarian dogma if you consider healthcare as essential.
Healthcare is readily available to anyone and everyone. Affordable health insurance is the issue. Libertarians want to keep the gov't out of it. We want more choices, more competition, and to purchase it ourselves, if we so choose.
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Old 07-15-2011, 05:25 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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Healthcare is readily available to anyone and everyone. Affordable health insurance is the issue. Libertarians want to keep the gov't out of it. We want more choices, more competition, and to purchase it ourselves, if we so choose.
Do you know why healthcare costs are high?

Its because its readily available to anyone who wants it, without their ability to pay.

That wasn't a libertarian ideal either, mandating that private ER's must take all patients regardless of their ability to pay, without setting up a system to pay for it. And a Republican President signed that into law.

Thats why I've said there are really two choices. Have a universal, single payer system that is limited in scope to life threatening illness, or repeal the emergency medical treatment act and allow hospitals to turn people away. Then if hospitals over charge or do non essential procedures to pad their pockets, you file suit and put an end to that lunacy.

Maher is for the universal healthcare system because he realizes that most Americans would never stand for folks being turned away and dying in the streets.
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Old 07-15-2011, 05:32 PM
 
Location: Northern CA
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Do you know why healthcare costs are high?

Its because its readily available to anyone who wants it, without their ability to pay.

That wasn't a libertarian ideal either, mandating that private ER's must take all patients regardless of their ability to pay, without setting up a system to pay for it. And a Republican President signed that into law.

Thats why I've said there are really two choices. Have a universal, single payer system that is limited in scope to life threatening illness, or repeal the emergency medical treatment act and allow hospitals to turn people away. Then if hospitals over charge or do non essential procedures to pad their pockets, you file suit and put an end to that lunacy.

Maher is for the universal healthcare system because he realizes that most Americans would never stand for folks being turned away and dying in the streets.
Most people that end up in the emergency room are not dying, they just don't want to wait for an apptmt, or can't. They should be given care, and charged for it. With more open competition amongst providers, insurance premiums would be more affordable. Illegals should not get a free pass either. Much of the cost is born servicing illegals, and providing them with entitlements they have no business getting.
Even with socialized healthcare, they will still show up in the emergency room, because apptmt.s will be even harder to get. Medicare patients will be the undesirables.
How does Maher feel about gun control?
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Old 07-15-2011, 05:46 PM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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He claims to be a libertarian but is liked by many progressives.

I think he's a libertarian who leans left on some issues.
He is not a libertarian.
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Old 07-15-2011, 05:50 PM
 
Location: Flippin AR
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He's supports the idiotic idea of America waging constant wars to police the world. That disqualifies him from being Libertarian.
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Old 07-15-2011, 05:53 PM
 
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He claims to be a libertarian but is liked by many progressives.

I think he's a libertarian who leans left on some issues.
He's a liberal that likes to call himself a Libertarian in the hope his far left views will somehow seem more acceptable to average citizens.
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Old 07-15-2011, 05:56 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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Most people that end up in the emergency room are not dying, they just don't want to wait for an apptmt, or can't. They should be given care, and charged for it. With more open competition amongst providers, insurance premiums would be more affordable. Illegals should not get a free pass either. Much of the cost is born servicing illegals, and providing them with entitlements they have no business getting.
Even with socialized healthcare, they will still show up in the emergency room, because apptmt.s will be even harder to get. Medicare patients will be the undesirables.
How does Maher feel about gun control?
Thats right, but they legally can not turn them away until they determine that they are ok.

And if they had a universal pay system, then they wouldn't have to go the ER thats so expensive, they could see a local doctor.

I agree that more open competition is good, but when its mandated care, its not competition.
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Old 07-15-2011, 06:08 PM
 
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He's a hateful little man who's found an outlet to sell his venom. I think he cherry picks his views as they benefit him but doubt he has any real ideology other than hate.
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Old 07-15-2011, 07:40 PM
 
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Well I guess it depends on what your definition of a libertarian is.

Lets take Republicans for example. Some Republicans are willing to raise taxes to balance the budget. They get slapped with the term "Republican In Name Only" or RINO.

Yet they are still Republican, but because they differ on one major point of Republican policy, they aren't really Republicans to many in the party.

The same thing happens with Libertarians. Some Libertarians are hardcore, almost anarchists. If you differ from that position in any way, you are not a real Libertarian.

Its opinion, and everyone is entitled to their own.
I must admit I'm one of those Libertarians who are almost Anarchist.

Who am I kidding? I'm an Anarchist and Libertarianism is about the only form of government I would care to tolerate if I had my druthers (Yes, it's a real word). You are correct in my case as I see Bill Maher as a very far left liberal communist freeloading weakling that wouldn't survive 10 minutes were it not for the charity of others.

I'm one of those types that wants the government out of my bedroom and my wallet. I see no reason I should pay a penny to educate someone else's brats since most of them are on the fast track to failure anyway and I don't expect them to pay for my failures either. Maher is the kind that would happily raid my pantry (not his own of course) to feed some pathetic loser with a poor decision making paradigm.
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