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Old 07-17-2011, 09:53 AM
 
Location: Austin
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Whenever I see someone like Michele Bachmann or Rick Perry waving the flag and reveling in their self-righteous, freedom-loving patriotism, something doesn't add up for me.

Where in the constitution does it say that it's patriotic to carve a city like Austin into 5 congressional districts so you can dilute the votes of your fellow citizens, just because they might be the wrong color or political affiliation?

Where in the 10th amendment does it say you can call a states' legal, voter-approved medical marijuana programs, illegal? Or, how can Bachmann advocate a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage in states where even the legislature passed it?

Where in the first amendment does it advocate protesting any religion's house of worship from being built?

Places like Iran and Saudi Arabia are practically set up for the intrusive rule of social conservatives. But the US? The founding fathers were radicals. I don't understand how you can be a flag-waving social conservative here without your head exploding from the sheer hypocrisy.
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Old 07-17-2011, 09:56 AM
 
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Whenever I see someone like Michele Bachmann or Rick Perry waving the flag and reveling in their self-righteous, freedom-loving patriotism, something doesn't add up for me.

Where in the constitution does it say that it's patriotic to carve a city like Austin into 5 congressional districts so you can dilute the votes of your fellow citizens, just because they might be the wrong color or political affiliation?

Where in the 10th amendment does it say you can call a states' legal, voter-approved medical marijuana programs, illegal? Or, how can Bachmann advocate a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage in states where even the legislature passed it?

Where in the first amendment does it advocate protesting any religion's house of worship from being built?

Places like Iran and Saudi Arabia are practically set up for the intrusive rule of social conservatives. But the US? The founding fathers were radicals. I don't understand how you can be a flag-waving social conservative here without your head exploding from the sheer hypocrisy.
Where in the real world is hypocrisy among politicians confined to one party or belief system?
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Old 07-17-2011, 10:11 AM
 
Location: Austin
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Where in the real world is hypocrisy among politicians confined to one party or belief system?
Nowhere, but I'm not just talking about politicians. This is even more pronounced in social conservative civilians, who can afford to be even more shameless. I'm thinking about the videos I've seen of conservatives protesting people's free practice of religion at a mosque while waving flags and shouting, USA! USA!

The mental disconnect is just so extreme.
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Old 07-17-2011, 10:19 AM
 
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Nowhere, but I'm not just talking about politicians. This is even more pronounced in social conservative civilians, who can afford to be even more shameless. I'm thinking about the videos I've seen of conservatives protesting people's free practice of religion at a mosque while waving flags and shouting, USA! USA!

The mental disconnect is just so extreme.
I'd argue you would see an equal degree of hypocrisy among those of the liberal mindset were your personal political leanings conservative. It's just human nature to notice the flaws in other groups while glossing over our own failings.
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Old 07-17-2011, 10:21 AM
 
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The dinosaurs of that era (of living one's true ideals and morals) are about gone.
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Old 07-17-2011, 10:39 AM
 
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You need to take a serious look at Ron Paul. He is a true social conservative, who leads by example; not by dictate. He is as honest and non-hypocritical as it gets.
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Old 07-17-2011, 10:41 AM
 
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I'd argue you would see an equal degree of hypocrisy among those of the liberal mindset were your personal political leanings conservative. It's just human nature to notice the flaws in other groups while glossing over our own failings.
Probably. It just seems that the attitude of liberty afforded by the Constitution is more in line with the ideals of social libertarianism than social conservatism.

Laws mandating a government-drafted conversation between a doctor and a patient in the privacy of a physician's office in the event of an abortion also come to mind. (Ultrasound laws).
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Old 07-17-2011, 10:44 AM
 
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Probably. It just seems that the attitude of liberty afforded by the
Constitution are more in line with the ideals of social libertarianism than social conservatism.
You'll get no disagreement on that point from me.

I'm a firm believer that the actions and powers of government should be limited to those granted by the Constitution and Bill of Rights. Both mainstream parties have ignored Constitutional restraint for decades and act in a manner designed to enhance their power rather than protect the interests and rights of their constituents.

Individuals that blindly support the actions of their politicians based on the D or R after their name are driving nails into their own coffins.

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Old 07-17-2011, 10:45 AM
 
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Whenever I see someone like Michele Bachmann or Rick Perry waving the flag and reveling in their self-righteous, freedom-loving patriotism, something doesn't add up for me.

Where in the constitution does it say that it's patriotic to carve a city like Austin into 5 congressional districts so you can dilute the votes of your fellow citizens, just because they might be the wrong color or political affiliation?

Where in the 10th amendment does it say you can call a states' legal, voter-approved medical marijuana programs, illegal? Or, how can Bachmann advocate a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage in states where even the legislature passed it?

Where in the first amendment does it advocate protesting any religion's house of worship from being built?

Places like Iran and Saudi Arabia are practically set up for the intrusive rule of social conservatives. But the US? The founding fathers were radicals. I don't understand how you can be a flag-waving social conservative here without your head exploding from the sheer hypocrisy.
1) The Supreme Court has upheld gerrymandering.....numerous times. Your premise holds no water.

2) Marijuana is still illegal under federal statute. So is gay marriage. The Feds have a duty to uphold rule of law, even if you disagree with it.

3) Where in the First Amendment does it prohibit "protesting any religions' house of worship from being built?" Hint: It doesn't

It sounds like you have more of a problem with the rule of law than you do with social conservatism.
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Old 07-17-2011, 10:46 AM
 
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You need to take a serious look at Ron Paul. He is a true social conservative, who leads by example; not by dictate. He is as honest and non-hypocritical as it gets.
Ron Paul
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