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Old 07-20-2011, 11:22 PM
 
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OK, as a liberal, I often feel like I'm not being heard by or talking past conservatives, and I'm sure conservatives feel the same way about me and other liberals.

Most of us can agree that there's too much bitter partisanship, too much polarization, and too much corruption in "the system." I also believe, maybe naively, that most Americans mean well, that people really care about something bigger than themselves, even if we disagree on what that should look like.

So let me ask this question: Where do we start in bringing people together, instead of dividing, polarizing, and ignoring people?
Start by considering the lives of those after we are long gone. As parents/adults that is what we are suppose to be doing. That part of parents/adults has been sold out to self serving "its all about me" cowards. Leave it better then you found it, no longer applies. That goes for both Conservatives and Liberals.
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Old 07-21-2011, 07:22 AM
 
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George Orwell, is that you?
I never said anything about the government doing it.

It's their authoritarian aspect that concerns me.

I guess you don't do irony, eh?
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Old 07-21-2011, 07:28 AM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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Simple, in 2012 get the Tnuts out of Congress. Until then, it will be more of the same, nothing accomplished.
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Old 07-21-2011, 07:38 AM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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Simple, in 2012 get the Tnuts out of Congress. Until then, it will be more of the same, nothing accomplished.
Gridlock is best.

Having the fedgov not be able to make things worse sounds like a good plan.
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Old 07-21-2011, 08:09 AM
 
Location: Gone
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Gridlock is best.

Having the fedgov not be able to make things worse sounds like a good plan.
Which means YOU are part of the problem, lead follow or get out of the way.
Casper
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Old 07-21-2011, 08:15 AM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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Which means YOU are part of the problem, lead follow or get out of the way.
Casper
No...government is the problem.

Believing government is the solution is also a major problem,although millions have been indoctrinated to believe it to be true.
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Old 07-21-2011, 09:15 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Bringing everyone together will never happen until everyone has skin in the game. 51% pay no federal income tax. That has to change. Everyone has to pay. Everyone has to take the hit when the federal government overspends, as it always does. Only then will we have a hope of ever seeing fiscal sanity return.
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Old 07-21-2011, 09:19 AM
 
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Gridlock is best.

Having the fedgov not be able to make things worse sounds like a good plan.
This is the Mitch McConnell form of governance.
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Old 07-21-2011, 09:48 AM
 
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No...government is the problem.

Believing government is the solution is also a major problem,although millions have been indoctrinated to believe it to be true.
Wrong AGAIN buckaroo. WE vote them in, We keep them there. WE get the government WE deserve.
NEXT!
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Old 07-21-2011, 09:49 AM
 
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Bringing everyone together will never happen until everyone has skin in the game. 51% pay no federal income tax. That has to change. Everyone has to pay. Everyone has to take the hit when the federal government overspends, as it always does. Only then will we have a hope of ever seeing fiscal sanity return.
Flat or Consumption Taxs. See how easy that is. Now go find someone i Washingtoon to push it.
Casper
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