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Old 07-21-2011, 08:08 PM
 
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Indeed he is. Most people are totally ignorant of the new regulations obama is putting in place, through the HHS, Interior and especially the job-killing regs from the EPA.

More and more business leaders are speaking out against this anti-business, anti-capitalism administration....which is a good thing.

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All true. Obama has never worked in the private sector and neither has the vast majority of his minions...which is a problem.



Well, who can blame them? From the very start, obama has played class warfare, rich vs poor and demagogued virtually every sector of this economy. It has trashed and attacked the very people he needs on his side - the job creators. No wonder they are sitting on their hands, waiting for this disaster to vacate the WH.

He's not the only one of course.

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His instincts are socialist in nature. He is also vindictive, petty and will go after those that speak up.
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Old 07-21-2011, 08:13 PM
 
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Hiring isn't creating jobs. Starting a corporation isn't creating jobs. Anyone with 500 bucks in the pocket can start a corporation.

ONLY consumers create jobs. Point blank, period. No consumer demand, no jobs.

Unless you're a government bureaucracy
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Old 07-21-2011, 08:14 PM
 
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Oh thank you so much. I say it on here all the time, my banker investor last year, warned me about Obama, and how bad he is for business. The stupid regulations are a killer. Said most businessmen, cannot stand Obama, and that Obama was not good to get our economy going. Funny thing this was last year, and things are not good, on the contrary, they are evil and bad. This economy cannot go any where with Obama except deeper and deeper into the deep blue Sea. We are sinking, and i was told this last year. Can't see it, you people don't live in the real world. I was told other things, i will keep under wrap. Moved some investments around, and glad i did. This is Obama's agenda, to keep us failing. He is very vindictive, petty, childish, and inmature, because you cannot disagree with a thing this President says. I was told last year, also that our housing crisis, it ain't going no where, it is going to be down for quite some time, bad for our most prized possesions, our homes, because the value they once held, they no longer do, and so many fine hard working Family's are under, and will lose a home.
Boy you are right just refinanced my home loan need a new roof and my house with improvement is worth less now than it was 4 years ago i owe more than its worth.My credit rating has dropped also to 712 from nearly 800.With Bush i could make it to the end of the month with a little left over now we are broke by the middle of the month drawing funds from our money market using our credit card.Change can't come soon enough i would vote for Mickey Mouse right now.
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Old 07-21-2011, 08:22 PM
 
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The verdict is clear: corporations should be relieved of all taxes and pay their employees whatever the corporations decide.
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Old 07-21-2011, 08:25 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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The verdict is clear: corporations should be relieved of all taxes and pay their employees whatever the corporations decide.
Ummm..that's usually how it works. You know, you have skills and value, which are determined by an employer to be worth so much, which is usually negotiated yearly based on profits, performance and the like.

Unless of course you belong to a union with bloated salaries that don't fit the "value" of the job.
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Old 07-21-2011, 08:27 PM
 
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I mean its really bizarre...

consumers won't spend anything if they didn't have something to spend it on......

I mean who the hell thought the computers would become useful for household use?..especially when the first ones took up the space of entire rooms.......if it wasn't for businesses having that foresight and further pushing it to become cheaper, smaller and faster no one would be here telling us how "evil" capitalism is....I mean do you really believe the average consumer would have thought computers would have had the potential to become a key item in the household one day in the future?

and many business waste money for years until it finally become profitable....they are taking a loss, all the while still providing a job for people until whatever product or service they have becomes successful...no, people spending money is a critical factor to job creation but it isn't the only part of it.....

employers have to first put up capital and investments to hire you and then provide and sell a product...consumers don't first spend money and then a job and a product is provided...they spend money on stuff that has already been made and put together by people, salaries has already been paid out before one product has even been sold ...

not to mention they have to stay on top of the market if they want to stay in business....do you think the average worker have to worry about securing future contracts from competition?...even though the consumer is going to buy whatever is in front of them, it comes down to who gets to put it in front of them...

saying "consumers create jobs" is incredibly economically ignorant....but not surprising...I too would be mad at those who are more successful then me and would have to come up with all kinds of excuses for whatever "insecurities" I have......I mean if they have to admit that they actually did create jobs then they to would have to admit that maybe, just maybe their wealth is rightfully earned...so they can't do that....

I just fear that they may take their ignorance to the voting polls and drag everyone down with them....and for those who somehow manage to escape and still maintain some wealth are of course going to be labeled as "evil"....

I remember reading some story, and this was at the beginning of the meltdown that many people started to hide their spending habits out of fear from the "evil eye"...because many thought it was "shameful to be spending their money why others lost their homes"..yes they should be ashamed because they manged their money better and didn't take out sub-prime mortgages they knew they couldn't pay back..

saying asinine things like "people who invest, organize and start companies and pay salaries don't create jobs, its consumers....like me"...as a way to diminish their importance....why?...don't really know, to tax them more?..to justify their own short-comings?...to "regulate" more so they can get their "fair share"?....because they have "too much money"?...don't know...

I have said this in my previous posts..you can look them up, and I have been saying this for years....whenever legitimate criticism from real business people on the govt restricting and hindering the economy, pro-big govt lefties dismiss it because it harms their pro-big govt views...

don't know why you people dismiss the claims of those who actual have to hire and maintain a business for people who never even had a job outside a cushy govt office..never had to worry about staying profitable..

you want jobs, but you side against those who are making it harder to give you the jobs you want and who never really had job outside of govt grants themselves, never had to worry about making a profit......is ideology so important that you would harm yourself to uphold it?...wouldn't surprise me the answer was "yes"...
Excellent post!
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Old 07-21-2011, 08:32 PM
 
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The verdict is clear: corporations should be relieved of all taxes and pay their employees whatever the corporations decide.
Yes, you got that exactly right. And by the way corporations don't pay taxes, consumers do.
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Old 07-21-2011, 08:41 PM
 
Location: OCEAN BREEZES AND VIEWS SAN CLEMENTE
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Boy you are right just refinanced my home loan need a new roof and my house with improvement is worth less now than it was 4 years ago i owe more than its worth.My credit rating has dropped also to 712 from nearly 800.With Bush i could make it to the end of the month with a little left over now we are broke by the middle of the month drawing funds from our money market using our credit card.Change can't come soon enough i would vote for Mickey Mouse right now.

Your so right friend. Do you know how many people i know that are in the same bolt as you. Even us who are pretty well off, are watching every waking penny. Things are tight, and money with this President does not seem to go very far these days, have you noticed.

I know so many people thruout the US who are all in a bind, and everyone upside down on the mortage, funny thing blame Bush ya all, did not happen on Bush's watch.

Now on Obama's i happen to know fifteen very fine hard working loyal employees of many different Companies, who lost their jobs of many many years, and some also their homes. Very sad indeed.

I don't buy a thing without getting myself a deal, and let me tell ya, don't know what the guys are thinking, but i get deals that are unbelievable.

My husband just shakes his head and laughs, walking away. But i am the one who makes the deals. There out there from furniture, to car parts, to wahtever you need, cannot be afraid to ask.

Online you can really make deals, don't be afraid to ask, i get them all the time, i have great taste, but am so cheap, and i get deals on furniture all the time, nice furniture not cheap.
Homes in some areas depending on where you live have gone down, but in a lot of areas out here, they are up and people are buying even in the Million dollar range. Infact last nite i heard on tv our economy was picking up surprise surprise.
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Old 07-21-2011, 08:54 PM
 
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Yes, you got that exactly right. And by the way corporations don't pay taxes, consumers do.
G.E is sitting on 82 Billion dollars sent 15,000 jobs overseas and pays no taxes...There CEO Inman? sits on the job board and laughed with Obama that shovel ready wasn't as shovel ready as they thought. A BIG JOKE TO THEM SUFFERING FOR US...I AIN'T LAUGHING ONE TRILLION OF DEBT TO OUR ENEMY WITH NO JOBS TO SHOW. JMO
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Old 07-21-2011, 08:56 PM
 
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lol at "job creator."

when i take a crap i'm creating jobs at the sewage treatment plant.
I think there is something different, special, and noble about a person who invests capital, and takes a chance on hiring people in order to try to deliver some product or service to a public that has a wide variety of other choices on where to spend their money in a hotly competitive marketplace. "Making payroll" is feeding, housing, and clothing workers and families. A businessman who has employed hundreds and thousands of people has experience and perspective that a crapping message-board poster does not.
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