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Old 07-25-2011, 10:14 AM
 
Location: The middle of nowhere Arkansas
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How so many people find California to be such a problem. When in fact it was always the "golden state" because it welcomed people of all sorts, especially the most entrepenurial....since the gold rush. The strongest, most independent of people settled that state. It is unparralled in the US as being unbelieveably beautiful and it grew and grew in this enviornment with arms open. The beaches of Southern Calif. the North Coast, the fertile valleys, the national parks all over the state. You can be in the Sierra Mts on Sat and spend Sun in Sausalito! Gorgeous, beautiful, amazing state!

Then when everyone came from all over the world, but most especially all over the U.S. and overpopulated the state, and brought all their prejudices with them....now its the state everyone likes to joke about. But Calif has so much going for it...and it ALWAYS rebounds because it still remains to this day the BEST STATE IN THE UNION! So laugh away, when you can't get a ticket into the Republic of California....not even for vacation!
Not to worry. You are losing population. My guess is that'll free up some hotel rooms. Unless they're occupied by all the mexican nationals you guys have walking around there. Do you people really have some half million illegals in san francisco? Is that even possible? Weren't you people paying attention?

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California’s Legislative Blitzkrieg
The state’s lawmakers are destroying jobs and stunting economic growth.
In California, deficits of various kinds have become a way of life. On top of an annual budget shortfall of more than $26 billion and unfunded pension liabilities that surpass $500 billion, the Golden State is seeing massive shortfalls in everything from domestic migration (a net loss to other states of nearly 1.4 million people from 2000 to 2008, the worst performance in the nation) to private-sector jobs (a net loss of more than 1 million in the two-year period following the September 2008 financial crisis). But one area of the economy continues to generate a surplus of sorts: state government. By the time the California State Legislature’s filing deadline arrived on February 18, Sacramento’s 120 legislators had introduced more than 2,300 bills for consideration in 2011. And 750 new laws from last year’s session have already gone into effect since January.

Unlike most state legislatures, California’s meets full-time. Lawmakers earn an annual salary of over $95,000—still the highest in the nation, though reduced from $116,000 during a wave of public discontent in 2009. With no need for extra income from other employment, state legislators lack meaningful incentives to discharge government duties in a timely fashion or to limit proposed legislation to essentials. That may be part of the reason that California hasn’t balanced its budget on time in 22 of the last 30 years.

Compare California with Texas—where the citizen legislature meets only once every two years and where just seven new laws have gone into effect so far in 2011—and the consequences become clear. As the Texas Public Policy Foundation reported in October, “Texas created 129,000 new jobs in the last year—over one-half of all the new jobs in the U.S. In contrast, California lost 112,000 jobs during the same period.” While the states’ divergent job trends doubtless have multiple causes, their radically different approaches to legislation have surely played a part............
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Old 07-25-2011, 10:15 AM
 
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If you are successful you will only have to move on to other areas that provide economic growth because liberal/leftist economic theory tends to produce..........places like california.......where people are moving from in droves.

There is a reason places like the north and california are now economic basket cases and places like texas in particular and the south in general are doing quite well in producing jobs. Time for you to do a rethink. Socialism doesn't work. Your culture doesn't work.

This is why we need borders to keep your culture from harming mine.

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Actually CA closed its budget deficit. Texas has an $18 billion hole. Plus, 50% of the jobs created in Texas are minimum wage with no hope for advancement.

I see Arkansas, Louisiana, and Mississippi are doing quite well . Still the most unhealthy, the poorest, and have the worst education.
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Old 07-25-2011, 10:20 AM
 
Location: west mich
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No, they were good socialists, just like mr obama. It really isn't all that difficult to discern the differences.
Classical liberal governments like the one the founding fathers envisioned with a weak central government that interferred with it's citizens very little with most of the responsibilities of governing at the state and local levels, where democracy works best anyway.
Socialist/communist regimes are very similar to the one envision by mr obama and, apparently, you that want an all powerful central government that restricts the freedoms of it's citizens.
** Your comments about what Obama "thinks" and what he "envisions" without knowing suggests an ulterior motive (since Republicans want power at least as much).
** Obama is a socialist? Back that up with something besides a Fox cliche.
** Democracy IS government. Democratic govt is us. Centralized govt is a committee or one-party rule. How is Republican/corporate rule any different?
** If democracy works "best" at local levels, then we have no need for the federal govt at all?
** The right-wing definition of "socialism" is anything that govt does (unless by republicans).
** Obama "wants" a communist style govt how and why? Republicans don't want control?
You are all over the place.
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Old 07-25-2011, 10:24 AM
 
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Default Socialist, anarchists, conservatives, dictators, demagogs

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What?!? They were behind the Iron Curtain... you know... SOCIALISTS. Living conditions were so abysmal under socialist rule that they had to trap their residents in with an armed guard patrolled WALL ... the Berlin Wall.

Socialism is not a conservative ideology.

What an American Progressive Movement is has ZERO bearing on being a socialist. Its not related in any way, its simply name calling......its simply "baiting" by whomever is the opposite side. The idea of building walls, whether to keep people in or keep people out is still seperation of one set of people at the expense of another set of people. What we are fighting about in this country is a class war, (the wealthy against everyone else) and an idealogical (Christians-against everyone else)war of two groups of people wanting American freedom. We simply don't agree on how to get there. Of course that is an oversimplification. Conservatives trying to decide how people should live, and wanting to regulate how people should live enough to want to seperate into different countries and only allow other conservatives in and all others be kept out....is not a "better ideology" A wall is a wall, is a wall.
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Old 07-25-2011, 10:32 AM
 
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If you are successful you will only have to move on to other areas that provide economic growth because liberal/leftist economic theory tends to produce..........places like california.......where people are moving from in droves.

There is a reason places like the north and california are now economic basket cases and places like texas in particular and the south in general are doing quite well in producing jobs. Time for you to do a rethink. Socialism doesn't work. Your culture doesn't work.

This is why we need borders to keep your culture from harming mine.

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California has been a top tier economy since its inception and remains so. Although transplanted temporarily to Texas...as soon as all those non-natives move to Texas I can go home! Texas if you haven't noticed, is growing in the same manner as that of California. Greed, corruption at the helm just as it was in Southern Calif and finally hit Northern Calif. Calif simply hit critical mass because all the southeners moved there! Too many people, too much development. Once you all go home, Calif will shine as it always has. How you equate socialism with everything liberal is such a typical right wing rant. Its completely lost its original meaning. You are aware that Texas is in the hole aren't you? Now that the fed money isn't being used to balance their budget!
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Old 07-25-2011, 10:34 AM
 
Location: The middle of nowhere Arkansas
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You know what? I've changed my mind. I'd love to see the South secede, though I'd prefer the rest of the country remain intact.
You'd have problems keeping all of the midwest and much of the west. Sentiment against the federal government runs high in the west (as opposed to the west coast).
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Old 07-25-2011, 10:35 AM
 
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You are aware corporations also fund the democratic party as well. During the last election mr obama had more money than god. By some estimates he could gleen somewhere between 700 mill and 1 billion for his 2012 election campaign.

Money is now running the country, we the people allowed our politicians to sell the country to the corporations and the mega wealthy. Did you actually think I would "give a pass" to any of them?
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Old 07-25-2011, 10:38 AM
 
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Aren't freedoms lost under excessive regulations?
Sure they are however, we can still talk about it.
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Old 07-25-2011, 10:40 AM
 
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Not to worry. You are losing population. My guess is that'll free up some hotel rooms. Unless they're occupied by all the mexican nationals you guys have walking around there. Do you people really have some half million illegals in san francisco? Is that even possible? Weren't you people paying attention?

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Losing population in Calif is considered by native Californians a good if not great thing! We probably don't have any more mexican nationals (with normal populations upticks) than before....Calif used to BE Mexico, as was Texas. To find them there isn't that big of a stretch. We would have noticed that many Italians or Swedes easier Besides, who would the rich white conservatives hire to do there low wage jobs, mow their lawns, nanny their children without those mexican nationals? Maybe they got their because that was where the jobs were?
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Old 07-25-2011, 10:43 AM
 
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Actually CA closed its budget deficit. Texas has an $18 billion hole. Plus, 50% of the jobs created in Texas are minimum wage with no hope for advancement.

I see Arkansas, Louisiana, and Mississippi are doing quite well . Still the most unhealthy, the poorest, and have the worst education.
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You are aware that Texas is in the hole aren't you? Now that the fed money isn't being used to balance their budget!
Good morning,

Where exactly is this "hole"? People who use this argument against Texas really need to learn the difference between projected deficits and the actual end result.

Texas has a Constitutionally-mandated balanced budget amendment, and a balanced budget was signed on July 19th. I may not like the way the balance was achieved, but it's still balanced for the next two years.

Office of the Governor Rick Perry - [Press Release] Legislative Accomplishments Keep Texas on Path to Prosperity

It's no different than projecting your household will spend $100,000 this year, but you cut back since it's a bad economy and spend only $80,000. The $20,000 deficit is an imaginary figure, since you didn't borrow any money to make up the $20,000 in cuts made.
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