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Old 07-25-2011, 10:53 AM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Originally Posted by Pamky View Post
This is your calculation. It is wrong. 222 out of 5406 is around 4%. It is not .4%. Do you even know the difference between these two?
You forgot to look in the OP. DC put in different criteria, daily instead of all time high.

And I already said my decimal was in the wrong place.

On July 23rd, only 19 records were broken or tied for all time high, which would be .4%.

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/extremes/records/all-time/maxt/2011/07/23?sts[]=US#records_look_up

Oh pardon me, it's .3% of records broken or tied.

DC, can you provide that link again, the one where you claim 2000+ records have fallen in July?

That would be amazing though, cause the heat wave really didn't start until about 1-2 weeks ago.

Let's see the proof. Or better yet, just us the criteria you used and we can try and duplicate the results.

 
Old 07-25-2011, 10:53 AM
 
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.4% of temperature stations saw a record between the 17th and the 23rd.

Of course, when they add in the stupid "heat index", the hyperventilating gets even worse. This is just another example of the ridiculous sensationalism of the media, with the underlying meme of "global warming" of course.


Ahh, yes. They are at it again. The media hyperventilating about a heat wave that really wasn't.
Simple solution for those that have problems with the media and what they have to say, use the off button/dial no ones forcing you to listen/watch
 
Old 07-25-2011, 10:55 AM
 
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I don't see 2100 records being broken or tied.

According to this, only 19 records have been broken or tied for July 23rd, all time high, out of 5775 stations.

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/extremes/records/all-time/maxt/2011/07/23?sts[]=US#records_look_up

Prove it wrong.

The link you provided is not working - try it again so maybe you can prove what you're claiming.

But the question - whether .4% (correct) OR 4%, is this a "record breaking heat wave" by statistical standards?

A resounding NO.
Do you understand what your all-time highest record is? It's the highest temperature those places have EVER reached, since recording began. Not the highest temperature for July 20th, not the highest temperature for July 19th. The highest temperature EVER.

When people talk about the temperatures in Ft Smith setting a new record on July 19th, they are taking about comparing the historic record for all July 19ths. Not for every single day since 1850.

When anyone of normal intelligence talks about a record-setting heatwave, they are comparing apples to apples, not apples to the entire orchard. This heatwave is smashing records, as evidenced by all the all-time records being broken, and as evidenced by the thousands of daily records being broken.
 
Old 07-25-2011, 10:55 AM
 
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That is significant.
I suppose we should consider July 23 1934. That date set records in 23% of stations.

would that be more significant than the .4% set on that date this year?
 
Old 07-25-2011, 10:57 AM
 
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sorry to burst your bubble, but i have worked in virginia in the summer, as well as having been in louisiana in the summer as well as mississippi and other southern states, and i can tell you that just because the weather people come up wwith some bogus number called "heat index" doesnt mean it is hotter where you are compared to where i am. i have played baseball in tucson when the temperature was over 100 degree and the humidity was around 10% and nearly passed out from heat exhaustion, and i have played baseball in louisiana when the temperature was over 100 degrees, and the humidity was over 70% and never had an issue.
Sorry to burst your bubble but you're wrong. You're not the only one who has spent time in different parts of the country and one anecdotal story isn't going to change the fact that humidity plays a huge role in air quality and our bodies ability to sweat properly. I live in DC and the difference between the relative heat on Friday and Sunday was extreme, yet the temperature was probably only 2 or 3 degrees cooler on Sunday.
 
Old 07-25-2011, 10:57 AM
 
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I suppose we should consider July 23 1934. That date set records in 23% of stations.

would that be more significant than the .4% set on that date this year?

Yes, our planet is warming up. Records are breaking heat records.
 
Old 07-25-2011, 10:58 AM
 
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Yes, our planet is warming up. Records are breaking heat records.
Is Obama's fault
 
Old 07-25-2011, 10:58 AM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Do you understand what your all-time highest record is? It's the highest temperature those places have EVER reached, since recording began. Not the highest temperature for July 20th, not the highest temperature for July 19th. The highest temperature EVER.

When people talk about the temperatures in Ft Smith setting a new record on July 19th, they are taking about comparing the historic record for all July 19ths. Not for every single day since 1850.

When anyone of normal intelligence talks about a record-setting heatwave, they are comparing apples to apples, not apples to the entire orchard. This heatwave is smashing records, as evidenced by all the all-time records being broken, and as evidenced by the thousands of daily records being broken.
Well, put up your data then, that shows 2000+ records falling in July.

Or give the criteria you used. Your link still isn't functioning, so I will assume that claim is not quite accurate.

And gosh, why in the world would NOAA include an "all time high" in their record lookup? You should jot them an email and tell then how misquided they are.
 
Old 07-25-2011, 11:01 AM
 
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What is this "accepted range that we all agree exists?" What is your source?

An average warming temp of 1.5 degrees is very significant!
all the sources Jojajn... all of them. about 1Deg C (roughly 1.5F?). every accepts that this is the number that represents the warming over the last 70 years.

That is what I meant by "accepted range". I appologize for not being more clear....

We also know that the 3 warming periods prior to the current one the warming was equal to or greater.
 
Old 07-25-2011, 11:04 AM
 
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Originally Posted by sanrene View Post
I really, really hate to keep doing this...proving you wrong that is.

222 out of 5406 stations. Scratch that. 160 RECORDS BROKEN...62 TIED.

We'll stay with the 222 out of 5406 = = = = .4% What did the OP say?



Your post = FAIL.
LOL. 222 is .4% of 5406? You have to be joking. You would need to start reviewing your 5 or 6th grade math class. 222 is more than 4% of 5406.
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