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Old 07-26-2011, 09:10 AM
 
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LOL if you believe that it translates into Dems voting for Romney, Pawlenty, Palin, Gingrich (or any of the other lackluster Repubs) over President Obama in 2012
Negative. This is just a snapshot in time. I repeatedly say it's too early to worry about anything in 2012.
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Old 07-26-2011, 09:11 AM
 
Location: La lune et les étoiles
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Both my kids facebook have been overwhelmingly against what Obama is doing and many of these College students have voted for Obama in 2008...
Hmm, that's funny....most of the people (of all races) on my FB support Presdent Obama. So I guess perception is reality for all of us, right.
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Old 07-26-2011, 09:14 AM
 
Location: La lune et les étoiles
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Have you considered Ron Paul ?

I think the 2 parties today (D and R) have gone too extreme in their directions.
President Obama supporters love the idea of Ross Perot....oops, I mean Ron Paul running in 2012. He will pull more votes from the Republican candidate than from President Obama
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Old 07-26-2011, 09:14 AM
 
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No president is going to fare well on the heels of the worst financial crisis in 80 years. I don't know why we necessarily lay this at the feet of Obama. It wasn't an ordinary recession. Recovery takes longer.

And if you want to talk about polls, Obama is at least 8 points ahead of any specific GOP candidate. People just want to blame whatever's behind the desk, not necessarily a given man or his actions.
What is laid at Obama's feet is that he has no solutions for America. He has a cabinet and czars at his disposal, yet there are no solutions. No solution for debt. No solutions for jobs. He is an expert at blaming the past decade.

His only solutions are for HIS agenda - which is not necessarily the best for America.
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Old 07-26-2011, 09:16 AM
 
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What is laid at Obama's feet is that he has no solutions for America. He has a cabinet and czars at his disposal, yet there are no solutions. No solution for debt. No solutions for jobs. He is an expert at blaming the past decade.
To be fair, please list those who HAVE provided viable solutions to the debt, solutions for jobs. Tax rates are already dangerously low, and unable to help us resovle the debt, yet the GOP says raising them will kill jobs (and Obama kept the tax cuts!). Please tell us where he has fumbled the ball insofar as jobs/debt.

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His only solutions are for HIS agenda - which is not necessarily the best for America.
I don't question his motives. There may be some disagreement about whether his solutions for the country will work, but to say the man is all about his own agenda, and not about a sincere effort to help the country is disingenuous.
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Old 07-26-2011, 09:16 AM
 
Location: La lune et les étoiles
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What is laid at Obama's feet is that he has no solutions for America. He has a cabinet and czars at his disposal, yet there are no solutions. No solution for debt. No solutions for jobs. He is an expert at blaming the past decade.

His only solutions are for HIS agenda - which is not necessarily the best for America.
That's exactly how the rest of us view Republicans

Republicans offer no solutions, nothing but rhetoric and frat boy shenanigans. If the Republicans had solutions, we would be in the economic shape that we are currently in due to.....a Republican GWB.
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Old 07-26-2011, 09:25 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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When the alternative is more trickle down economics, you better your butt that's what they'll do.

Hey, Bachman/Romney/et al, what's the first thing you are going to do to help the economy?

CUT TAXES on the rich!!

What will you do when the economy rights itself

CUT TAXES on the rich!

What would Ron Paul ask the Conservative control Congress and Senate to do?


Redistricting, has consequences!
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Old 07-26-2011, 09:27 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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That's exactly how the rest of us view Republicans

Republicans offer no solutions, nothing but rhetoric and frat boy shenanigans. If the Republicans had solutions, we would be in the economic shape that we are currently in due to.....a Republican GWB.


It all started to go downhill in 2007. Nancy Pelosi had her hand in this whole deal.

The house sets the spending. The President signs what the Senate agrees with the House on, if he agrees.

When no one agrees, you have stagnation.
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Old 07-26-2011, 09:30 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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President Obama supporters love the idea of Ross Perot....oops, I mean Ron Paul running in 2012. He will pull more votes from the Republican candidate than from President Obama
An amazing number of RP supporters were marginally for Obama. They won't repeat that mistake again. Make sure you count that million or so votes in your calculations. Make sure you also take into account the anti-war folks staying home to show the centrist Dems a thing or two.
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Old 07-26-2011, 09:55 AM
 
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To be fair, please list those who HAVE provided viable solutions to the debt, solutions for jobs. Tax rates are already dangerously low, and unable to help us resovle the debt, yet the GOP says raising them will kill jobs (and Obama kept the tax cuts!). Please tell us where he has fumbled the ball insofar as jobs/debt.
There have been a multitude of suggestions and plans from the right. You or I may or may not like the plans, but it's something. Just because they are not covered by the media doesn't mean they do not exist. And you know what, it really isn't that difficult. The difficult part is doing what's right knowing that politically they may take a hit.

Obama with all of his personnel and resources has not offered a plan for the debt ceiling "issue". All we know is he wants to raise taxes, and he wants to fund entitlements. No details.



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I don't question his motives. There may be some disagreement about whether his solutions for the country will work, but to say the man is all about his own agenda, and not about a sincere effort to help the country is disingenuous.
If you say so.
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