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Old 07-28-2011, 09:15 AM
 
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You really should read a post before responding.
Yes, you made that point already. The OP posts more or less the same thing in every thread, I felt safe in assuming.

Would you like to belabor this point further?

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As for what government tells people what is required, that is your opinion, not law. As such, you are welcome to it, but it affects the situation not at all.
Actually it is very much the law in the US in regards to the First Amendment. That is my personal and professional opinion.
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Old 07-28-2011, 09:16 AM
 
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Why is this even in this forum? It should be in the UK forum.
This is the Politics and Other Controversies forum. Not limited to the country of your residence. Is the topic political and/or controversial? If so (and it is) it has every right to be here.
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Old 07-28-2011, 09:20 AM
 
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Yes, you made that point already. The OP posts more or less the same thing in every thread, I felt safe in assuming.

Would you like to belabor this point further?
Well, you never know what you will find if you actually take the time to read.

As for belaboring the point, I think the point has been made.

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Actually it is very much the law in the US in regards to the First Amendment. That is my personal and professional opinion.
Yes, there are laws about this here in the US. Do I need to "belabor" the point of where this is taking place?
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Old 07-28-2011, 09:24 AM
 
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The couple have been married for 37 years and have six children together. Mr Chapti is an Indian national and does not speak, read or write English.
Mrs Chapti has reportedly been travelling between India and Leicester for around 15 years but has now applied for her husband to come and live in the UK with her.


Do you agree with her? that this is a human rights issue?
Yes. He has the right not to move to the UK. She has the right to back to her home country.
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Old 07-28-2011, 09:28 AM
 
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Well, you never know what you will find if you actually take the time to read.

As for belaboring the point, I think the point has been made.



Yes, there are laws about this here in the US. Do I need to "belabor" the point of where this is taking place?
Yes, goody goody gumdrops for you.

Back to the topic, this is my opinion, once again:

Government telling people what language they have to speak is a communist, authoritarian idea.

While the UK does not have a First Amendment, they have laws protecting freedom of expression and a long(ish) tradition of permitting free expression.

Implicit in that concept that the government cannot tell its citizens what to say is the concept that the government cannot (generally) tell its citizens how to say it.
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Old 07-28-2011, 09:32 AM
 
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I'd agree with Alltheusernamesaretaken. Why has this guy never learned any english? However, I wouldn't require him to do so, but neither would I expect him to ever enjoy the benefits of the english speaking government or society.

Any person can be an island unto himself but the culture is limited.
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Old 07-28-2011, 09:33 AM
 
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I'd agree with Alltheusernamesaretaken. Why has this guy never learned any english? However, I wouldn't require him to do so, but neither would I expect him to ever enjoy the benefits of the english speaking government or society.

Any person can be an island unto himself but the culture is limited.

With a short list of exceptions...they should also have the right to suffer the negative consequences of their unwillingness to learn the majority language.
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Old 07-28-2011, 09:34 AM
 
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Yes, goody goody gumdrops for you.

Back to the topic, this is my opinion, once again:

Government telling people what language they have to speak is a communist, authoritarian idea.

While the UK does not have a First Amendment, they have laws protecting freedom of expression and a long(ish) tradition of permitting free expression.

Implicit in that concept that the government cannot tell its citizens what to say is the concept that the government cannot (generally) tell its citizens how to say it.
Except that the individual is not a UK citizen.
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Old 07-28-2011, 10:56 AM
 
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With a short list of exceptions...they should also have the right to suffer the negative consequences of their unwillingness to learn the majority language.
I completely agree with this.
I just think it's highly unusual that he doesn't speak English as a native Indian.
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Old 07-28-2011, 11:00 AM
 
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Requiring people to speak a certain language would violate the First Amendment.
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