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I think it has come to a point where the Dems can just tell the Republicans "raise the ceiling, or don't raise it. Make up your minds, and prepare to live with the consequences".
My question is - If the Senate was going to use the Boehner Bill as a shell to write their own bill, why didn't they do that a week ago with the Cut, Cap and Balance bill that came to them?
The vote they took the first time in the Senate on the Boehner bill only had 59 yeas.
From reports the house is going to vote on Reids bill whether he has brought it to the floor in the senate or not. More gamesmanship like ;Reid's its dead on arrival.I think Reid was hoping to bring it last minute all along. The only bill likely standig will be McConnell's.
My question is - If the Senate was going to use the Boehner Bill as a shell to write their own bill, why didn't they do that a week ago with the Cut, Cap and Balance bill that came to them?
The vote they took the first time in the Senate on the Boehner bill only had 59 yeas.
There has been a host of plans starting with the bi-partisan plan to vut $4T, and that was presented in December and promptly killed by GOP.
Now the GOP will have to do what they gotta do and take responsibility for their actions later.
To amend the constitution will take 8-10 years, so the Bohner bills is a joke, and designed to be rejected.
Polls have shown that 66% of Americans support CC&B. It has been posted in this forum previously so do your own search for the link. CC&B does raise revenue by cutting some major tax credits/deductions. What Obammunists want is only to "raise taxes on the rich" without cutting spending in any meaningful way. Spending cuts need to be effectiv immediately, not 10 years down the road by attritions already projected by the CBO (a.k.a Reid's supposed $1Trillion saved from Iraq/Afghanistan).
The US House is basically regarded as reflecting "the will of the people". When a bill passes the US House in a bipartisan manner as did CC&B, the Senate owes the people of the US the respect to give it an up or down vote; or, to amend it and send it back to the House for reconsideration. Harry Reid did not allow this process to happen. He is being the ultimate obstructionist in this process and second only to Obama in that obstructionism.
To be fair, you're not the one who invoked the polls, but for the record, I don't think the support of the American people is really valid here. Most Americans have absolutely no idea how the economy works. They might understand how a small or medium sized business works, and they might know how the stock market works to the extent that they can make money off of it, but that's about where their knowledge ends. I think Americans will eventually rue the day that they allowed the tea party into congress. They might blame Obama at first, but over time, it will become more and more obvious who's doing the screwing here.
I just blame Obama for not having any spine and not having the know-how to work with Republicans and moderate Dems. I am beginning to think the guy just doesn't understand how congress works sometimes, but even so, that doesn't let the tea party scumbuckets off the hook. They're the ones who are intentionally misinforming and destroying America.
When a bill is tabled, in one house, after passing in the other house, what does that say to the American people?
Here you have Harry Reid, with C,C &B Tabled....
Not because he doesn't have the votes to pass it. He doesn't have the no votes not to pass it. Even Obama knows this.
Why not bring it to the floor and have a debate & vote, instead of Harry saying it won't pass and there it sits on his desk??
The politicking is amazing from Dirty Harry.
This should not be allowed especially with things of such magnitude.
Dictatorial at best in nature.
I think it has come to a point where the Dems can just tell the Republicans "raise the ceiling, or don't raise it. Make up your minds, and prepare to live with the consequences".
This is basically a high-stakes political gamble. The radical GOP are betting that if they can pass one or two bills with massive cuts then they can back away and say, "Hey, we passed them, it's up to the liberals to sign them." And then the Democrats are put in a position of either signing a bill that is loaded with economically devastating cuts or a possible default. The political risk is that if the debate gets closer to the deadline then the Democrats will be blamed for not passing *a* bill to the president, with the public completely ignoring the fact that the bill that was sent to them was going to be devastating. It's essentially putting the Democrats in the position of passing a terrible bill or risking an even worse fate with default.
The Democrats have been prepared to make major cuts -- Boehner and the Tea Party know that. They just don't care. They want the rich to keep their tax cuts on the backs of the poor. In fact, they signed a pledge to some big wig tea party politico not to raise taxes. It's the California "Hell no we won't compromise" strategy, and we all see how well that worked out. It's now up to the Democrats to decide whether to roll over or fight back. But they risk getting blamed for it, because the public is too busy watching reality tv to care.
Obstructing? The Republican House didn't even pass their own bill. I know hour emotions tell you to like everything republican and hate everything democrat, but perhaps you could try actually thinking sometime.
Are you pretending "Cut, Cap, & Balance" never happened?
Or do you have an excuse for ignorance of that major news?
I know Harry didn't hide it that well.
Best plan out of all and one man stifles it.
Obama has no plan still, Dems come up with one just very recently and you've decided to jump on the ones that have been working on it.
To be fair, you're not the one who invoked the polls, but for the record, I don't think the support of the American people is really valid here. Most Americans have absolutely no idea how the economy works. They might understand how a small or medium sized business works, and they might know how the stock market works to the extent that they can make money off of it, but that's about where their knowledge ends. I think Americans will eventually rue the day that they allowed the tea party into congress. They might blame Obama at first, but over time, it will become more and more obvious who's doing the screwing here.
I just blame Obama for not having any spine and not having the know-how to work with Republicans and moderate Dems. I am beginning to think the guy just doesn't understand how congress works sometimes, but even so, that doesn't let the tea party scumbuckets off the hook. They're the ones who are intentionally misinforming and destroying America.
I'm not so sure this is the case. I think it's quite possible that many Americans will scream -- this is what happens when socialist Obama-like presidents are elected, as things go south. I think our best hope here is that conservative members of the business community, who do understand how our economy works, are going to turn on the Tea Bags.
As for your remarks about Obama, you're right. I think he misunderstood and underestimated the visiciousness of the Bag movement. He should have been looking for some 14th-Amendment like tactics to steer us away from the cliff, rather than betting on the ultimate reasonablenss and patriotism of Bags. That's dumb money right there.
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Tie up the phone lines so they cannot do anything else.
