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I couldn't find anywhere the claims you were making in the above post.
If you could specifically point out where it says it will do the things you claim it would be greatly appreciated.
READ IT AGAIN. The ISP is the one that keeps the info. SO WHAT????? The government has full access to all the data------ as do the lamebrains at the ISP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
As the law stands right now I could park outside your house and connect to your wireless and search up all the kiddie porn I like and then drive off and the "man" can then show up and say hey it was your IP that shows the searches so off you go to the gulag.
Basically what this bill does is reduce EVERYONE to the status of "Internet Pornographers"..... for all of you who can't figure it out and for the LIFE of you can't HELP yourself continue to let the government invade yours and my life at our expense. Do you want to be treated and SPIED ON and maybe confused with a cirminal and have your life ruined as a result?
Basically what this bill does is reduce EVERYONE to the status of "Internet Pornographers"..... for all of you who can't figure it out and for the LIFE of you can't HELP yourself continue to let the government invade yours and my life at our expense. Do you want to be treated and SPIED ON and maybe confused with a cirminal and have your life ruined as a result?
DUH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Think about it! WAKE UP !
Nothing you have really said appears in the bill. What about reading the actual bill and not what Alex Jones says the bill does.
Actually warrants aren't needed anymore. The patriot act killed that. Plenty of searches and snooping w/ no warrants what so ever. Heck plenty of curious people can pay google or verizon about 40 bucks for a dump of your account.
The storage of ISP information can log a great deal of data. Depends on what they are capturing. At a near minimum ips and url's. Certain things like credit card numbers should be encrypted, but it would point to where you bank etc...
No surprise the govt is gobbling up the little bits that are left the past few years.
Actually, yes... warrants ARE needed. The illegal searches you may have read about are either not displaying the facts correctly or are simply the issue of government disregarding their authority.
As the law stands right now I could park outside your house and connect to your wireless and search up all the kiddie porn I like and then drive off and the "man" can then show up and say hey it was your IP that shows the searches so off you go to the gulag.
*chuckle*
Combine with that the number of idiots they are churning out in our education system and a person with simply a CEH knowledge could become their own crime king.
What H.R.1981 will mandate is that Internet Service Providers (ISPs) keep a copy of EVERYTHING YOU DO on the internet for 18 months including ; searches you did; bank account numbers; credit card numbers; transactions you made; websites you visited; how long you were there.
Try to keep the paranoia to a minimum, Emily. I don't know exactly what the bill actually says, and it's entirely possible that there are legitimate privacy issues with it, but I can tell you with 100% certainty that your ISP can't "keep a copy" of your bank account numbers, credit card numbers, transactions you made or in many/most cases, how long you spend on a web site.
Before you go all emily on us (it's a new term I've been using in my daily life), learn a little about the technology you're so frightened of. Anything that gets transmitted via SSL (that would be your visits to your bank, all the online shopping you do, etc.) is encrypted, and your ISP has no way of knowing what data is in the packets they're forwarding, therefore it is IMPOSSIBLE for them to catalog it.
I don't know if the bill even exists - hoaxes about things like this spread like wildfire, thanks to nutcases that forward an email to everyone they know (and post paranoid rants online about it) without putting forth even a tiny bit of effort to validate the claim first. Like I said, if it does, there could be genuine concerns about what's in it, but a rant like the one above doesn't do anything to further your desire to spread the word. It only makes you look uninformed.
Try to keep the paranoia to a minimum, Emily. I don't know exactly what the bill actually says, and it's entirely possible that there are legitimate privacy issues with it, but I can tell you with 100% certainty that your ISP can't "keep a copy" of your bank account numbers, credit card numbers, transactions you made or in many/most cases, how long you spend on a web site.
Before you go all emily on us (it's a new term I've been using in my daily life), learn a little about the technology you're so frightened of. Anything that gets transmitted via SSL (that would be your visits to your bank, all the online shopping you do, etc.) is encrypted, and your ISP has no way of knowing what data is in the packets they're forwarding, therefore it is IMPOSSIBLE for them to catalog it.
I don't know if the bill even exists - hoaxes about things like this spread like wildfire, thanks to nutcases that forward an email to everyone they know (and post paranoid rants online about it) without putting forth even a tiny bit of effort to validate the claim first. Like I said, if it does, there could be genuine concerns about what's in it, but a rant like the one above doesn't do anything to further your desire to spread the word. It only makes you look uninformed.
STILL if everything that is saved is in mile long series of zeros and ones I'd prefer mine weren't mixed in with the criminals. WOULDN'T YOU?????? Besides, once they have everyone's info I'm sure it is just a matter of time before they will take the liberty to start translating the code on everyone and figure out all sorts of reasons and stupid justifications for further invading people's lives and using whatever they find against people. Not to mention the fact that it opens up all the data to those that can figure out hoe to access and steal it. NO THANKS!
Try to keep the paranoia to a minimum, Emily. I don't know exactly what the bill actually says, and it's entirely possible that there are legitimate privacy issues with it, but I can tell you with 100% certainty that your ISP can't "keep a copy" of your bank account numbers, credit card numbers, transactions you made or in many/most cases, how long you spend on a web site.
Before you go all emily on us (it's a new term I've been using in my daily life), learn a little about the technology you're so frightened of. Anything that gets transmitted via SSL (that would be your visits to your bank, all the online shopping you do, etc.) is encrypted, and your ISP has no way of knowing what data is in the packets they're forwarding, therefore it is IMPOSSIBLE for them to catalog it.
I don't know if the bill even exists - hoaxes about things like this spread like wildfire, thanks to nutcases that forward an email to everyone they know (and post paranoid rants online about it) without putting forth even a tiny bit of effort to validate the claim first. Like I said, if it does, there could be genuine concerns about what's in it, but a rant like the one above doesn't do anything to further your desire to spread the word. It only makes you look uninformed.
You are quite correct. I have read both H.R. 1981 and its companion in the Senate, S. 1308. Both are very short bills. The only thing the bill would require the ISP to retain for a period of 18 months are the user's TCP/IP addresses. Nothing else.
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SEC. 4. RETENTION OF CERTAIN RECORDS BY ELECTRONIC COMMUNICATION SERVICE PROVIDERS.
`(h) Retention of Certain Records- A provider of an electronic communication service or remote computing service shall retain for a period of at least 18 months the temporarily assigned network addresses the service assigns to each account, unless that address is transmitted by radio communication (as defined in section 3 of the Communications Act of 1934).'.
As Nomander correctly pointed out, they would still need a court issued warrant in order to obtain that information.
KUChief25 is also correct, if you do not secure your wireless connection. Anyone could come within 300 feet or so of your wireless router and use your TCP/IP address without your knowledge. So it is highly advisable to ensure your wireless routers are secure.
Additionally, fewer that 5% of the bills introduced in Congress ever become law. Both H.R. 1981 and S. 1308 were recently introduced and now they both sit in House and Senate committees. It may or may not ever come to the floor for a vote. There is no point in panicking yet. At least wait until the various committees and sub-committees have come to a decision and the bill is scheduled to go to the floor for a vote before you panic.
Frankly, I find nothing wrong with either bill.
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