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Old 07-29-2011, 06:16 PM
 
Location: The middle of nowhere Arkansas
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What I don't understand..............is why it's so damned high.


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Old 07-29-2011, 06:20 PM
 
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Riiighghghtttttt...now you're going to tell us you didn't support obama, didn't vote for him and haven't made every excuse possible for his failures.



But still, the question, which of course you won't answer.

You claimed the GOP has all the "money", as far as supports...but have you looked at obama's list of "rich" contributors, business and individuals?

I'm thinking...not...that way you can continue to make the false claim about the "rich" and the GOP.
Of course I voted for Obama. On at least a hundred posts I stated that I supported the real Progressive until the nominations. And, if I'm not mistaken, I've posted more than several times that I am an advocate for Campaign Finance Reform. Where did I say that the GOP has "all" the money? But give me a break, it is the Republican Party that sucks up to the wealthy and has no interest in helping the plight of the little guy and the middle class. Show me where they have...you can't!
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Old 07-29-2011, 06:23 PM
YAZ
 
Location: Phoenix,AZ
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Read more polls. Everyone is equally as unpopular right now. In that same article, it points out that Boener and Reid are seen less favorably than Obama in regards to the economic situation.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Conservatives, what makes you think Obama will lose in 2012 when his opponents are even less popular?
Because most of America is stupid?

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Old 07-29-2011, 06:28 PM
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Location: Phoenix,AZ
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Your hatred for Obama has blinded your logic. Obama has never been a Liberal or Progressive. You would have no real idea of which candidate real Progressives and Liberals backed during the primary as you only get your talking points from the real leader of the GOP...Limbore!
Nah.....Nobama just works gor the Progessives.....

He's a gunuine American.

Loves his country.

That's why he wants to fundamentally change it.

Here's some hope for ya:

Buy gold and hope.
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Old 07-29-2011, 06:36 PM
 
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Nah.....Nobama just works gor the Progessives.....

He's a gunuine American.

Loves his country.

That's why he wants to fundamentally change it.

Here's some hope for ya:

Buy gold and hope.
Here's some education for ya...A real Progressive agenda of a real Progressive primary candidate from 2008...

Creating a single-payer not-for-profit system of universal health care that provides full coverage for all Americans by passage of the United States National Health Care Act.
The immediate, phased withdrawal of all U.S. forces from Iraq; replacing them with an international security force.
Guaranteed quality education for all; including free pre-kindergarten and college for all who want it.
Immediate withdrawal from the World Trade Organization (WTO) and North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA).
Immediate repeal of the USA PATRIOT Act.
Fostering a world of international cooperation.
Abolishing the death penalty.
Environmental renewal and clean energy.
Creating a moratorium on Genetically Modified Organism (GMO).
Implementation of H.R. 676, which integrates traditional medicine with complementary and alternative medicine (CAM).
Ban offshore drilling.
Halt all Biochemical Aerial Spraying of Pesticides and other toxins.
Preventing the privatization of social security.
Providing full social security benefits at age 65.
Creating a cabinet-level "Department of Peace"
Ratifying the ABM Treaty and the Kyoto Protocol.
Introducing reforms to bring about instant-runoff voting.
Protecting a woman's "right to choose" while decreasing the number of abortions performed in the U.S.
Lowering the voting age to 16
Ending the War on Drugs.
Legalizing same-sex marriage.
Strongly promoting workers' rights.
Ending the H-1B and L-1 visa Programs
Restoring rural communities and family farms.
Strengthening gun control.
Legalizing medicinal marijuana and decriminalizing non-medical possession.

Where has Obama shown that he is a Progressive on these issues?
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Old 07-29-2011, 06:38 PM
 
Location: The middle of nowhere Arkansas
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Of course I voted for Obama. On at least a hundred posts I stated that I supported the real Progressive until the nominations. And, if I'm not mistaken, I've posted more than several times that I am an advocate for Campaign Finance Reform. Where did I say that the GOP has "all" the money? But give me a break, it is the Republican Party that sucks up to the wealthy and has no interest in helping the plight of the little guy and the middle class. Show me where they have...you can't!

Your's is a simplistic view that most of us understand to be simply......false. Years ago I had a socialistic political professor that I learned a great deal from. One of his points was this "the leadership of both parties come from the same social class, wealthy. They live in the same neighborhoods, the same schools, dress the same, talk the same, drive the same cars, they even marry each other." (think maria shriver and swartzenegger) (john kerry his very wealthy second wife was the widow of a former republican senator)

Something else I learned from him was that when democrats redistribute wealth they believe they are stimulating the economy, which ultimately benefits them, the upper classes.

Republicans believe that when people are allowed to keep their own monies they know they'll invest that money which will ultimately stimulate the economy and ultimately benefit them, the upper classes.

I think I'll leave you with this little article. Not all of mr obama's monies came from the poor and lowly, not by a long shot. So, please, grow up. There are seveal good reasons to support the democratic party machine but "the dems are for the poor and the repubs are for the rich" is just too damned juvenile and simplistic.

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Corporate Spending in Denver Mirrors Broader Shift to Democrats .Article Stock Quotes Comments more in Politics & Policy ».EmailPrintSave This ↓ By BRODY MULLINS
DENVER -- For the past decade, corporations have showered Republicans with money and attention. But this week's Democratic convention shows how much things have changed.

Corporations sponsored hundreds of cocktail parties, receptions and A-list concerts for Democratic lawmakers, aides and delegates gathered for the convention this week.

With Democrats in control of Congress and Democratic presidential nominee Sen. Barack Obama generating excitement across the country, companies appear to be springing for far fewer parties at the Republican convention next week in Minneapolis.

A list of Democratic convention events compiled by the Washington lobbying firm Quinn Gillespie & Associates LLC is three times as long as one it compiled for the Republican convention.

A separate study by the nonpartisan Campaign Finance Institute shows that 141 companies have donated $160 million to the host committee for the Democratic convention, compared with 80 companies and $100 million for the Republican convention.

Precise figures are impossible to produce because companies aren't required to disclose all of their spending at conventions, and host committees may report spending at a later date. But nonpartisan watchdogs have been monitoring spending by special interests in Denver. "There certainly seems to be more parties at the Democratic convention than [planned for] the Republican convention," said Nancy Watzman with the Sunlight Foundation.

A look at the Democratic convention schedule underscores the strong corporate presence.

Sunday, AT&T Inc. and Genworth Financial Inc. were among dozens of corporations to underwrite a party for the moderate Blue Dog Coalition at a club a few blocks from the convention hall. Monday, financial-services companies including Merrill Lynch & Co.; Fidelity Investments; and the trade association for the mutual-fund industry, the Investment Company Institute, sponsored a forum on financial literacy with former Democratic Rep. Harold Ford of Tennessee................
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Old 07-29-2011, 07:10 PM
 
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Hmmm...wonder if too many people caught on to the sordid, crass, overtly policital behavior of the One during the Great Debt Crisis of 2011. When Boehner, Reid and McConnell began to coalesce around the Gang of Six outline, a comprehensive approach to dealing with our three major challenges (entitlements, revenues, and spending), it was Obama who could not shut up about "corporate jet owners" as if they were the cause of the three-way problem. The grand bargain with 4 trillion of deficit reduction was there for the taking...but Obama could not stop himself from turning every public utterance into a twisted version of phone sex designed for the gratification of Nancy Pelosi.

I'm no fan of the ignorant pro-default ideologues on the right, but the behavior of the president has been despicable until Friday the 29th when he FINALLY gave a speech without demonizing success and "corporate jet owners." Gallup shows that the people are paying attention to the childish, cycnical efforts of this most naive president.
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Old 07-29-2011, 09:55 PM
 
Location: Imaginary Figment
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The article clearly states that Clinton's approval also dipped during the government shutdown. Only to rebound shortly thereafter.

Not really a surprise given what is going on. Just as the GOP would like to have it. Ultimately though, it's going to backfire on them.
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Old 07-29-2011, 10:12 PM
 
Location: Mississippi
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The illegal presidency of Obama has failed...the stimulus has failed....the country will be downgraded to AA next week.

Why oppose a balanced budget amendment?

Obama has turned this country into parasites. This Kenyan should be arrested and jailed.

Hope and Change...yeah right. Demise and Despair.
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Old 07-29-2011, 10:15 PM
 
Location: The middle of nowhere Arkansas
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The article clearly states that Clinton's approval also dipped during the government shutdown. Only to rebound shortly thereafter.

Not really a surprise given what is going on. Just as the GOP would like to have it. Ultimately though, it's going to backfire on them.
There's nothing like a true believer.


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