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Old 08-01-2011, 08:28 AM
 
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Originally Posted by jefffla01 View Post
I am a moderate----not a dem and not a repub-----but news flash-----------the President did not prevail.

This circus and carnival ended with the President being painted into a corner and bailing water. This leecherous process was nothing short of disgusting and agonizing. It showed us what the American political process has become-----a losing proposition for the American people.

Deciding a winner and loser in this preposterous scheme is an academic exercise----the only certainty is clearly that the American people are the true victims. If this is what every political negotiation is going to turn into from now on I shudder-----bring on a truly representative third party.
I agree that the American people REALLY LOST HERE. If BOTH PARTIES could have came together with the best interest of the people at heart we could have gotten some real tax reform done to make the tax code MORE EFFICIENT AT LOWER TAX RATES, and put together a long term deficit reduction program.

What we got was one extreme group refusing to increase tax revenue, and another extreme group refusing to concede that Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid need to look at for cost and spending reductions. What we ended up with an abortion that will make neither side happy in the long run and really doesn't attack the nations long term fiscal problems.
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Old 08-01-2011, 08:33 AM
 
Location: Gone
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No they don't, and this deficit circus proves it beyond any doubt.
Sadly, you are correct. This whole event in stupidity could have been resolved months ago but some were far too busy posturing.
Casper
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Old 08-01-2011, 08:35 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Too funny, every sane person sees this as a huge Republican victory.


It definitely is not business as usual on the Hill!

The long time Progressive push in both parties, has been crippled!
Ya, that is a big victory for the President!
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Old 08-01-2011, 08:36 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Wow. The OP is delusional. I am impressed that for once the debt ceiling was truly used by a party to force big changes in government spending. Not exactly happy with the process, nor the exact result. But the GOP created political theater of the highest quality.


Reps to you

This thing has not made it through the house, yet.
How many Democrats in the House will bite?

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Old 08-01-2011, 08:46 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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The problem with the Conservatives and their honesty is, they have no clue like the deceiving and lying Progressives, how to make a deal that is too good to be true, based on lies like a slick salesman.

Telling you what you want to hear and not the whole truth, overselling it. That would blow the sale.
These Politicians are no more than slick salesmen. Who leads in sales?

The best salesman, gets you to by what you will never need, using anything and everything to make the sale, even if it means not telling the whole truth, or lying completely. Tell me I'm wrong!!!
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Old 08-01-2011, 08:58 AM
 
Location: The Silver State (from the UK)
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Here is the list of the reps who killed the best plan out there, the deficit panel plan to cut $4T in spending and reduce taxes. Shame on them.

Reps. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.),
Jeb Hensarling (R-Texas),
David Camp (R-Mich.),
Xavier Becerra (D-Calif.)
Jan Schakowsky (D-Ill.)

Unfortunately, none of these have a plan that will help the US economy. A reduction in government spending is not it alone. Inflation IS going to rise, and quickly - debt IS going to become more expensive, and government borrowing and printing of money is unsustainable. Not one candidate has admitted that the the worst of the 2008 crash is yet to come and the ONLY way to deal with it is to enforce a greater progressive tax system that doesn't include loopholes of any kind. We are not in a 'boom and bust' situation - the drivers are different and the management of it needs to be progressive. All of the above subscribe to 'market cycle' and 'free unregulated market' principles.. all of which are the cause NOT the remedy.
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Old 08-01-2011, 09:03 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Sadly, you are correct. This whole event in stupidity could have been resolved months ago but some were far too busy posturing.
Casper
It could have been resolved last year, and the country would have benefitted much more from that deal than from this joke.
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Old 08-01-2011, 09:07 AM
 
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Is it April Fool's Day?
April... August... whatever fits.
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Old 08-01-2011, 09:51 AM
 
Location: Gone
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It could have been resolved last year, and the country would have benefitted much more from that deal than from this joke.
True. But some were coming of their "Big Win" and not willing to sit down and do anything, they were waiting for the new set of elected politicians to take office and after they did they were not interested in talking about anything. Now we as a Nation are stuck with a lesser deal.
Casper
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Old 08-01-2011, 09:57 AM
 
Location: London UK & Florida USA
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Everyone can now see from this power game played out in the both houses that "one upmanship" is destroying the Country. No matter what party would be in power or who the President was this is now beyond a joke.
What are you going to do about it..... Heads in sand time?
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