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View Poll Results: Will doctors be forced to receive Medicare patients as a condition to getting licensed?
Yes 27 54.00%
No 18 36.00%
Pie 5 10.00%
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Old 08-01-2011, 08:18 AM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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All true -- and beside the point, which is that they are working and training. They are not students, they are not receiving an "education."

Therefore these comparisons you made with the military are invalid.
Medicare is paying their salaries, and it's for a "work-study" program.
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Old 08-01-2011, 08:18 AM
 
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Medicare is paying their salaries, and it's for a "work-study" program.
Correct, almost. Medicare is paying hospitals. Hospitals are paying their salaries.

You just got done arguing that "Well, the federal government isn't funding law school," despite the fact that they subsidize the students' loans ..... so it would seem that you should apply your logic consistently.
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Old 08-01-2011, 08:20 AM
 
Location: London UK & Florida USA
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Do private Doctor practices in the UK take patients ''without looking at their wallets first''?
As i tried to explain........ the only Doctors who charge a fee are private Consultants who are in the minority. They also DO NOT overcharge Insurance companies as here, which makes premiums here prohibitive.
To answer your question ..... NO .... Most Doctors DO NOT look at your wallet before giving treatment but a very small amount of Doctors in the private field do... but still don't "rip you off" as they do in the USA.
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Old 08-01-2011, 08:24 AM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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As i tried to explain........ the only Doctors who charge a fee are private Consultants who are in the minority. They also DO NOT overcharge Insurance companies as here, which makes premiums here prohibitive.
To answer your question ..... NO .... Most Doctors DO NOT look at your wallet before giving treatment but a very small amount of Doctors in the private field do... but still don't "rip you off" as they do in the USA.
Private medical practices do charge,a fee you don't know the amount I gather,for treatment.

What is the difference between private practices in the USA and the UK then?

Your attempt to divert the topic to NHS facilities is irrelevant to the discussion.
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Old 08-01-2011, 08:25 AM
 
Location: State of Being
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Do private Doctor practices in the UK take patients ''without looking at their wallets first''?
Please understand . . . healthcare is administered in UK in a different manner than the USA. First of all, they use a lot of healthcare providers other than physicians, thus keeping cost down. And secondly, they not only do not practice "defensive" medicine, they often UNDERUSE tests, to keep cost down. And thirdly, healthcare is not "free" in UK - citizens are taxed to pay for it. (There is also additional insurance available as mentioned by a previous poster).

Also, UK docs are rarely paid over what would be equivalent of a salary under $200K here in USA, whereas docs here in the USA make much more than $200K, w/ few exceptions (not all IMs, Peeds, etc make impressive salaries - many factors play into this - from location to practice size, etc).

So there are differences in the way docs are compensated as well as the way healthcare is administered.
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Old 08-01-2011, 08:28 AM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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Yes, but please understand . . . healthcare is administered in UK in a different manner than the USA. First of all, they use a lot of healthcare providers other than physicians, thus keeping cost down. And secondly, they not only do not practice "defensive" medicine, they often UNDERUSE tests, to keep cost down. And thirdly, healthcare is not "free" in UK - citizens are taxed to pay for it. (There is also additional insurance available as mentioned by a previous poster).

Also, UK docs are rarely paid over what would be equivalent of a salary under $200K here in USA, whereas docs here in the USA make much more than $200K, w/ few exceptions (not all IMs, Peeds, etc make impressive salaries - many factors play into this - from location to practice size, etc).

So there are differences in the way docs are compensated as well as the way healthcare is administered.
I know...lived there for a short while,lived in a nation with gov run health system.

My point was,private practices in the UK are not forced to take patients,so why should they be forced here.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-200-hour.html
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Old 08-01-2011, 08:33 AM
 
Location: State of Being
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I know...lived there for a short while,lived in a nation with gov run health system.

My point was,private practices in the UK are not forced to take patients,so why should they be forced here.
Well . . . private practices are becoming less and less prevalent in the USA, too, b/c of the cost of running those practices - so hospitals contract w/ physicians, and physicians are able to use hospital-owned resources.

Specialists may be stand-alone, since they are often able to generate lots of revenue (cardiac, for ex - or orthopaedic surgeons).
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Old 08-01-2011, 08:39 AM
 
Location: London UK & Florida USA
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I know...lived there for a short while,lived in a nation with gov run health system.

My point was,private practices in the UK are not forced to take patients,so why should they be forced here.

The GP earning £380,000 a year... and the out-of-hours doctors on £200 an hour | Mail Online
Because that's all you have here.
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Old 08-01-2011, 08:40 AM
 
Location: State of Being
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The OP wants to know if physicians will eventually be "forced" to take Medicare patients.

The answer is: most readily accept Medicare patients, as Medicare is a guaranteed payment. As Medicare reimbursement decreases (wh/ is already happening, may I add) . . . the theory is - physicians will be less interested in Medicare patients . . . but currently, that is not really an accurate assumption.

First of all, patients are delaying treatment b/c of the economic situation here in the USA - folks are out of work, have no insurance. Medicare patients are a "sure thing" - physicians know exactly what they will receive for services and the payment is guaranteed.

Secondly, if a physician has a contract w/ a hospital that has a Medicare license (wh/ covers nearly all hospitals) . . . that physician has to treat Medicare patients.
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Old 08-01-2011, 08:42 AM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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Because that's all you have here.
No it isn't.
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