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Old 08-01-2011, 09:45 AM
 
Location: Fort Worth, TX
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Currently there are several diesel cars, particularly those made by Volkswagen (BMW makes some great ones too) that get amazing fuel mileage. As good as if not better than many hybrids.

But it's still expensive to fuel up when you hit the pump. Around here in DC diesel is usually about the same price as 93 octane gas (premium). That undoubtedly turns a number of people away from buying diesel:

Fuel taxes in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So why, oh great enlightened ones, do we continue to make a more efficient option more expensive?
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Old 08-01-2011, 09:51 AM
 
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Because the idiot politicians probably don't know the difference between a diesel and a gas vehicle. Hell do you think they even pump their own gas anymore? LOL.
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Old 08-01-2011, 09:53 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Go figure. I'd buy a diesel. Those engines can better take changes to fuel.
This increasing amount of ethanol is going to destroy gas engines in the long run.
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Old 08-01-2011, 09:59 AM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Currently there are several diesel cars, particularly those made by Volkswagen (BMW makes some great ones too) that get amazing fuel mileage. As good as if not better than many hybrids.

But it's still expensive to fuel up when you hit the pump. Around here in DC diesel is usually about the same price as 93 octane gas (premium). That undoubtedly turns a number of people away from buying diesel:

Fuel taxes in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So why, oh great enlightened ones, do we continue to make a more efficient option more expensive?
Diesel doesn't work well in cold weather.
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Old 08-01-2011, 10:02 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Currently there are several diesel cars, particularly those made by Volkswagen (BMW makes some great ones too) that get amazing fuel mileage. As good as if not better than many hybrids.

But it's still expensive to fuel up when you hit the pump. Around here in DC diesel is usually about the same price as 93 octane gas (premium). That undoubtedly turns a number of people away from buying diesel:

Fuel taxes in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So why, oh great enlightened ones, do we continue to make a more efficient option more expensive?
Do you think about six cents in extra taxes is the only reason people don't buy diesels and that removing that would give them all the reasons to? Trust me, I'm a proponent of diesel for its promise of delivering something beyond digging hole for more of those fossils, but I'm also very realistic about "taxes getting in the way" problem. Personally, I wish, we all could lower our consumption.
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Old 08-01-2011, 10:03 AM
 
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Diesel doesn't work well in cold weather.
Maybe your grandfathers diesel.Todays diesels are sophisticated enough that there is no perceptible difference in performance in comparison to a gasoline engine.

Diesels are about 50 percent of the market in Europe. Why don't we see that share here? Chalk it up to stifling government regulations, taxes etc. (i.e. central planners thinking they know whats best for us).
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Old 08-01-2011, 10:11 AM
 
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Diesel doesn't work well in cold weather.
Horse Pucky! My last diesel was an 8.7 liter 2004 International 4400 I used for hauling my RV and that thing was used as a commuter vehicle for it's first winter here in Canada. Started and ran flawlessly in sub-zero temps.

Old Wives Tales have no place when discussing stuff like this.
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Old 08-01-2011, 10:12 AM
 
Location: Chicago
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The problem isn't tax treatment, though that's a small part of it. The major roadblock to widespread market penetration of diesels in the U.S. market is the ludicrous emissions standards that hold them to the same overly-stringent standards as petrol engines. In particular, it is very difficult for diesels to produce the nearly zero NOx emissions the EPA demands of them.
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Old 08-01-2011, 10:16 AM
 
Location: Fort Worth, TX
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The problem isn't tax treatment, though that's a small part of it. The major roadblock to widespread market penetration of diesels in the U.S. market is the ludicrous emissions standards that hold them to the same overly-stringent standards as petrol engines. In particular, it is very difficult for diesels to produce the nearly zero NOx emissions the EPA demands of them.
Interesting point, although VW and BMW seem to be fine with that. Granted they are more expensive than their gas equivalents but not by that much, and the extra torque is soooooooo worth it
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Old 08-01-2011, 10:34 AM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Horse Pucky! My last diesel was an 8.7 liter 2004 International 4400 I used for hauling my RV and that thing was used as a commuter vehicle for it's first winter here in Canada. Started and ran flawlessly in sub-zero temps.

Old Wives Tales have no place when discussing stuff like this.
It might have gotten better, but it is not an old wives tale.
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