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Old 08-01-2011, 07:08 PM
 
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Looks like the liberals and "progressives" in San Fran are feverishly working in ways where your typical felon now has as much right as any else to apply for jobs. No matter if they raped or killed someone. What's more, if an ex-con somehow feels discriminating against by not getting hired they will have a recourse to sue the business. With this, and the judges and prison deacons giving sexual favors to inmates, being a criminal has never included these many perks in the US.

Why Ex-Con Job Seekers Shouldn't Be Discriminated Against - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/why-ex-con-job-seekers-shouldnt-discriminated-against-092711018.html - broken link)

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Should employers have the right to discriminate against job applicants who have been convicted of crimes? That's the fundamental question that both the city of San Francisco and the federal government are wrestling with as they consider whether employers should be able to take prospective workers' criminal records into account. Not surprisingly, there has been heated debate.
In San Francisco, the Reentry Council, a local governmental body that advocates on behalf of ex-prisoners, called in March for the city to amend its laws to prohibit private employers and landlords from discriminating on the basis of a person's arrest or conviction record. (The law would still allow employers to take criminal records into account when they are directly relevant: schools would not have to hire sex offenders, for instance.)
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Old 08-01-2011, 07:42 PM
 
Location: Metro DC area
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I think it's a terrible shame that many ex-convicts are not given a full chance to rehabilitate once they reenter society. They've paid their debt; they have a right to earn a living. Otherwise, you risk them falling back into the unsavory things they were doing to land in jail.

Trying to imagine the circumstances in which a murderer would be allowed to reenter society. Are we talking manslaughter? Wouldn't necessarily have a problem working with a convicted rapist. I could just as easily get raped by a stranger on the street.
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Old 08-01-2011, 07:45 PM
 
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right on.

power to the people.

amnesty now.
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Old 08-01-2011, 07:54 PM
 
Location: Chambersburg PA
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Looks like the liberals and "progressives" in San Fran are feverishly working in ways where your typical felon now has as much right as any else to apply for jobs. No matter if they raped or killed someone. What's more, if an ex-con somehow feels discriminating against by not getting hired they will have a recourse to sue the business. With this, and the judges and prison deacons giving sexual favors to inmates, being a criminal has never included these many perks in the US.

Why Ex-Con Job Seekers Shouldn't Be Discriminated Against - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/why-ex-con-job-seekers-shouldnt-discriminated-against-092711018.html - broken link)
If they're otherwise qualiied for the job and the work they are doing, has nothing to do with their conviction... I don't think there should be any discrimination...furthermore, in some states it's already illegal to use that as a prohibition to hiriing...unless, of course, the work being done has a direct correlation to the conviction
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Old 08-01-2011, 07:57 PM
 
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Does this game ever get old for you Cons?
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Old 08-01-2011, 08:02 PM
 
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As distasteful as it may be, criminals have the right to apply for any job & they cannot be discriminated against for their crimes. However, if the crime is deemed related to the job that they are applying for, they can be rejected. For instance, someone who has been convicted of child molestation would not be accepted in a position that works with minors as the crime would be considered job related.
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Old 08-01-2011, 08:03 PM
 
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I think it's a terrible shame that many ex-convicts are not given a full chance to rehabilitate once they reenter society. They've paid their debt; they have a right to earn a living. Otherwise, you risk them falling back into the unsavory things they were doing to land in jail.

Trying to imagine the circumstances in which a murderer would be allowed to reenter society. Are we talking manslaughter? Wouldn't necessarily have a problem working with a convicted rapist. I could just as easily get raped by a stranger on the street.
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Old 08-01-2011, 08:14 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Should employers have the right to discriminate against job applicants who have been convicted of crimes?
That question has already been answered by State and Federal Courts, and the answer is "Yes."

Remember, when you hire an employee, you are responsible for what that employee does under the doctrines of the Master-Servant Relationship stemming from English Common Law.

If that employee causes damages or injuries to other employees or to customers, then the employer is liable for damages.

Many people are under the grotesquely mistaken belief that your employer is not allowed to discuss things with other potential employers like your work history, work ethics, work performance and such.

They couldn't be more wrong.

In Texas, a security guard was terminated for suspected theft, and it was also believed he had committed more serious crimes such as rapes.

The ex-guard applied for work at another security company, and that company contacted his former employer to determine the nature of his employment. The former security company would only provide his dates of employment, and despite repeated requests, refused to characterize his termination as voluntary or involuntary.

Lacking any information to the contrary, the company hired him and placed him in an apartment complex. He assisted an intoxicated female resident from her car to her apartment, and then he obtained the pass key from the office, entered her apartment and raped her.

She sued the security company (and the apartment complex management company and the property owners) for damages.

The security company named the former security company as a 3rd Party Defendant, and proving to the jury that they had exercised their fiduciary duty, the jury decided that the security company was not entirely at fault, limited their liability to 10% and cited the former security company as 90% liable for damages, awarding her a few $Million.

That's one case and there are thousands on the books where employees or customers and clients sued because their employer hired an individual who was known to be violent or known to engage in fraud or theft if not because of their criminal record then for other reasons and were awarded damages.

There is no way the courts will allow an employer to be forced to hire a liability and then hold the employer responsible for the liability.
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Old 08-01-2011, 08:15 PM
 
Location: South Fla
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Would you rather they go back to commiting crimes because they can't find a decent job.
Doing time is about paying your debt. Where does it say u pay for the rest of ur life?
Now I don't think someone convicted of a sexual crime should be able to work around kids.
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Old 08-01-2011, 08:31 PM
 
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A lot of people are banished to the Sucky Job Sector for either bad credit or a criminal record.
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