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Old 08-06-2011, 11:22 AM
 
Location: The middle of nowhere Arkansas
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And yet, 900 thousand Indians die every year from contaminated water, poverty, polluted air, and inadequate healthcare.

India needs to stop producing so many citizens as it can't support them.
Alternative view; india needs to clean up their environment, allow entrepreneurs to create jobs, and improve their healthcare system. Slaughtering your chidren in the womb is almost always the wrong answer to any of these problems. In the west it is becoming increasingly clear we've chosen...............poorly.
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Old 08-06-2011, 12:10 PM
 
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It started long time ago:

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Old 08-06-2011, 12:19 PM
 
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You are forgetting most muslims are dirt poor. They cannot afford multiple wives. That's for old farts. Once again, can you supply a link indicating there is a gender imbalance in the muslim world?
Of course they are poor. That's how polygamist societies are. The rich old fart buys up all the girls over age 12 and the poor single males are good as suicide bombers or to use in war over more land.
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Old 08-06-2011, 12:21 PM
 
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Of course they are poor. That's how polygamist societies are. The rich old fart buys up all the girls over age 12 and the poor single males are good as suicide bombers or to use in war over more land.
For god's sake man! Do a little reading will ya'?
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Old 08-06-2011, 12:26 PM
 
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For god's sake man! Do a little reading will ya'?
My point is -- that NO Muslim nation would have anything close to a decent standard of living except of course for the oil wealth they have.

The culture itself is not conductive to middle class. As far as extreme birth rates the Muslims have, they cannot maintain them by staying in their own countries, but they will destroy other countries they are allowed to take over.

China has a one-child policy - and look how well it's economy is doing. You cannot think having many babies you cannot feed is the answer -- or the Somalians would be doing well. But I'm definitely against abortion, just as I'm against having children you'll only let starve to death.
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Old 08-06-2011, 12:44 PM
 
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My point is -- that NO Muslim nation would have anything close to a decent standard of living except of course for the oil wealth they have.

The culture itself is not conductive to middle class. As far as extreme birth rates the Muslims have, they cannot maintain them by staying in their own countries, but they will destroy other countries they are allowed to take over.
Well, in all fairness. The muslims pretty much occupy the fringe areas of the world. Those areas have been heavily used for a long time and have the fewest resources. The sahara was once a paradise on earth. Not so much these days.

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China has a one-child policy - and look how well it's economy is doing. You cannot think having many babies you cannot feed is the answer -- or the Somalians would be doing well. But I'm definitely against abortion, just as I'm against having children you'll only let starve to death.
I could make the point that china's economic miracle is a result of the government relinquishing control over the economy and putting it in the hands of entrepreneurs. The chinese are people with a remarkable work ethic, but they had been prevented from making a functioning because of decades of a single party communist state mired in marx's economic principles.

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Old 08-06-2011, 12:59 PM
 
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What western civilization did was to become decadant. It will die with us. Neither the indian nor the chinese cultures remotely resemble what western culture has morphed into.
Not remotely? I would disagree with that. After all, India was part of the British Empire, and the Chinese have a government originally modeled on that that of a dead German dude.

Like I said, don't be so superficial. Western Civilization's influence around the world isn't strictly in the food people eat, or the language they speak (though, English is the de facto global language, so...).

India has a parliamentary system, with a supreme court, they're capitalist, One of their two official languages is English, etc, etc...
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Old 08-06-2011, 01:00 PM
 
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Basacailly the west's problem is that increasing fast we are starting to lose being the best consumer. With two countries that have 1/4 of the world's population becoming more and more the consumer class it;s just a matter of time until our credit is no good to continue.We already see Chna is the largest ;fatest growing vehice market in the world and that is just the start of their demand.Our GDP is larger and yet we have to borrow fro them;isn't a good sign at all.
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Old 08-06-2011, 01:03 PM
 
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WRONG! The US and Europe will not collapse. The only thing that is happening is the middle class is dissolving into the rich and the poor. In fact that has already pretty much happened throughout Europe. America was the last stand so to speak against the hyperglobalists that want to control the world, suck up all the resources and collectively acquire more wealth and riches for themselves. The poor will stay poor and the rich will get richer. So no the west is not on the verge of collapse.. only the western middle class. And our government won't collapse because they are rich themselves and are wholly owned and controlled by the rich corporatists through the US military, WallStreet, etc.
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Old 08-06-2011, 01:23 PM
 
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You are forgetting most muslims are dirt poor. They cannot afford multiple wives. That's for old farts. Once again, can you supply a link indicating there is a gender imbalance in the muslim world?

He cant, cause there is no imbalance. China and India have a slight imbalance, but those are not Muslim countries.

And that imbalance isn't a huge deal anyways, China and India together have more females than there are people living in the US-Canada-Australia and Europe combined.
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