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Old 08-06-2011, 09:43 AM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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Please follow what me a Finn are talking about....who was the majority in December 2010 and this commission Finn brought up....
I agree, Democrats should have done something about it earlier.

But does that excuse Republicans and the TEA party for their obstructionism this year?
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Old 08-06-2011, 09:45 AM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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Maybe we will be able to get our credit rating up above that of Finland some day.
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Old 08-06-2011, 09:45 AM
 
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So there are more dems than repubs and it's the repubs fault? How do you figure that? all the repubs could have voted no....but the majority IS DEMS....
Huh? There are 287 Republicans in Congress and 244 Democrats.

How exactly are there more Democrats than Republicans in Congress? Are you speaking only about the Senate? In which case, yes there are 4 more Democrats, which isn't a Super Majority, and Republicans can filibuster.
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Old 08-06-2011, 09:47 AM
 
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I read the whole report.

S&P downgrades U.S. credit rating from AAA - USATODAY.com

They want

Spending cuts
No fighting over silly things like the debt ceiling
Revenue increases
entitlement reforms

etc.
But no where in the report do they say revenue increases should be comprised of tax increases, but thats what lefties are saying.
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It took aim at both parties, but specifically, not increasing the debt ceiling and not raising revenues was specifically attributed to the TEA party.
They did not. They took aim at the failure to address spending cuts, something the Tea Partiers are calling for. In fact they validated the tea parties position. Re-read the report, in specific the reasons why they might downgrade the credit ratings again. 100% of that is the exact same position the tea partiers hold
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Democrats, throughout the debt ceiling fight wanted cuts and revenue increases, and the President even mentioned entitlement reform.
Mentioning items arent budget proposals. If the president was so supportive of these reforms, why didnt his budget proposal implement them? Democrats DID NOT want cuts, they wanted FUTURE cuts, and the S&P wanted cuts NOW. In fact they wanted MORE cuts, not imaginary cuts in future spending, but REAL cuts.
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Old 08-06-2011, 09:49 AM
 
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No it is not implicit there is an explicit statutory guarantee for benefits if you meet qualifications. Now that can be repealed or changed, but such guarantee exists and it is explicit.
No such guarantee now exists for Social Security, validated by Supreme Court decisions. You thinking that the guarantee exists, validates my argument about GSA's. Everyone assumes the government will save GSA's, save Social Security, etc.
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Old 08-06-2011, 09:51 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Memphis1979 View Post
I read the whole report.

S&P downgrades U.S. credit rating from AAA - USATODAY.com

They want

Spending cuts
No fighting over silly things like the debt ceiling
Revenue increases
entitlement reforms

etc.

It took aim at both parties, but specifically, not increasing the debt ceiling and not raising revenues was specifically attributed to the TEA party.

Democrats, throughout the debt ceiling fight wanted cuts and revenue increases, and the President even mentioned entitlement reform.
And S & P laughed at the entire group.

The only reason they're even talking about deficits before all of this downgrade stuff was because of that crazy fringe group TEA party that doesn't even exist, remember?
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Old 08-06-2011, 09:51 AM
 
Location: NC
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No such guarantee now exists for Social Security, validated by Supreme Court decisions. You thinking that the guarantee exists, validates my argument about GSA's. Everyone assumes the government will save GSA's, save Social Security, etc.
42 USC 7 says you are wrong. Now the Congress can change its mind about any guarantee it likes but an explicit guaratee exists for SSA. It does not exist for GSEs except for certain exceptions like Ginnie Mae.
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Old 08-06-2011, 09:52 AM
 
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Huh? There are 287 Republicans in Congress and 244 Democrats.

How exactly are there more Democrats than Republicans in Congress? Are you speaking only about the Senate? In which case, yes there are 4 more Democrats, which isn't a Super Majority, and Republicans can filibuster.
The House comprises most of those, but the House is only 50% of all of Congress. Having most of them in the House, does not mean a GOP Congress because the Senate holds the other 50%... Where on gods earth did you guys go to school?
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Old 08-06-2011, 09:52 AM
 
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Huh? There are 287 Republicans in Congress and 244 Democrats.

How exactly are there more Democrats than Republicans in Congress? Are you speaking only about the Senate? In which case, yes there are 4 more Democrats, which isn't a Super Majority, and Republicans can filibuster.
You should really learn how your former government worked.

You do seem to know how the current uni-government works though.
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Old 08-06-2011, 09:55 AM
 
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The House comprises most of those, but the House is only 50% of all of Congress. Having most of them in the House, does not mean a GOP Congress because the Senate holds the other 50%... Where on gods earth did you guys go to school?
The Super School of Condensation.

Funny how they're always the ones harping on tin-foil hatted Tea party people who complain of one world government coming and then they summarily defend a super congress that disenfranchises the vast majority of the country effectively making a government without checks and balances.
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